ID Cards. Again.

[ethariel]

Damn it, ID cartds are soooo old, just brand everyone with a serial number right in the centre of the forehead, lop off both ears and a finger for every 10k a year over 30k you earn (digit tax).

Let's see anyone want to come live here then!

All mutilations are compulsary when any of the below criteria are met.

1- You are in the UK
2- You are caught trying to get the hell out
3- You are blind deaf, dumb and stupid and trying to get in
4- You are born

All issues solved, just coz i work at the Home Office does not mean this is an expression of any formal think tank or personal idea of any person other than the poster's deranged mind in any way shap for or way not thought of at the time of writing this stupid pointless disclaimer.






On a serious note - to many civil servants are employed in pushing this freaking stupid and pointless card through (just watch, £200 each and need to be renewed every 4 to 10 yeares at YOUR expense) to even think about dropping it now......

Sorry to all you anarchy types, I have nothing to hide and therefore quite happy to carry an I'd, it will fit in my wallet next to my driving licence and bank cards. If it stops one person comitying one crime then all for it.

Scenario, you have to swipe I'd card to get into nightclub, proves your age, girl is attacked in toilets of said club. Police have instant list of all possible witnesses / suspects. Win win.

Really don't understand the opposition for this.

Originally Posted by Kilted Ginger

Sorry to all you anarchy types, I have nothing to hide and therefore quite happy to carry an I'd, it will fit in my wallet next to my driving licence and bank cards. If it stops one person comitying one crime then all for it

By the same token you are then quite happy for the government to install cameras INSIDE your house at your expense. You have nothing hide right? Most domestic violence happens in the home and if it stops one crime then you're all for it. Right?

Originally Posted by simesb

By the same token you are then quite happy for the government to install cameras INSIDE your house at your expense. You have nothing hide right? Most domestic violence happens in the home and if it stops one crime then you're all for it. Right?

why stop there lets fit gps tracking to every car and motorbike so they can see where were going and how fast we got there if youve got nothing to hide.

[Biker Biggles]

If you think total deference to an allseeing allknowing authority is a good idea have a look at Singapore.
Yes there is very low crime,but the price they pay is to live in the most bland and souless human desert anywhere on the planet.No thanks,give me a bit of zest and life any day.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

...look at Singapore. Yes there is very low crime,but the price they pay is to live in the most bland and souless human desert anywhere on the planet.

what about wolverhampton?

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear"? That could be interpreted as "do nothing wrong and we'll leave you alone" - that's pretty much how western democracies have been run in the past. The interpretation we're moving toward however is "tell us everything you do, and we'll decide if it's wrong or not".

My thoughts exactly. If I haven't done anything wrong why should the state need to know any more about me other than my Tax and NI details. I don't bother the state, the state doesn't bother me, sounds fair.

I'd like to know just how these cards are supposed to be any better than anything else so far. OK, they have biometric data embedded but it's no big deal to produce a forged card with the retina or finger print of the holder. Chip and PIN was supposed to be the last word in fraud prevention but it wasn't long before people were pointing out how it could be circumvented. To paraphrase E E "Doc" Smith, anything that technology can create, the same technology can analyse and duplicate...

The only way I can think to make it anything like secure is to have a central database against which the card and the holder are checked in real time. That means everyone with a reason to check ID, which I imagine will extend to employers and landlords as well as numerous public employees since it is being touted as a weapon against illegal workers and fraud as well as terrorism, is going to need access to some sort of terminal. If the government record on delivering IT projects is anything to go by I just can't see that happening, at least not this century.

My objection is this, the whole ID card scheme is being sold as a silver bullet which will solve all our criminal, immigration, housing, benefit, employment problems in one fell swoop. In principal it's a great idea but in practice it is going to be expensive, bureaucratic and too many reputations are riding on it for the plan to be viewed objectively.

Kilted Ginger, please can you explain how having these things will stop crime?

I am completely opposed to this gross invasion of privacy and liberty. I have nothing to hide but why should I prove that I have nothing to hide?

Originally Posted by Kilted Ginger

Sorry to all you anarchy types, I have nothing to hide and therefore quite happy to carry an I'd, it will fit in my wallet next to my driving licence and bank cards. If it stops one person comitying one crime then all for it.

Scenario, you have to swipe I'd card to get into nightclub, proves your age, girl is attacked in toilets of said club. Police have instant list of all possible witnesses / suspects. Win win.

Really don't understand the opposition for this.

OK, lets assume they use the same contact-less technology the banks are trying to push (seen the water slide advert?).

With that technology, I can read and clone the card from approx 50ft away. Seriously. People with more cash to throw at hardware can do it further. EDIT: I'd best clarify, the (very limited) technology I have access to, would clone every card within approx 50ft, not just individual ones.

So, using your own example, the police have a list of people in the club, and you're surprised when you get a knock on the door. You're shocked because you were tucked up in bed, alone (no witness to your statement), but your ID card was in the nightclub. This happened because of someone you sat next to on the train 3 weeks ago cloned your card.

Do you still want one, using just your own example?

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

- £2 700 000 000 000 (yes...that's £2.7 quadrillion)

and then a small voice piped up at the back...




no it's not, that's 2.7 trillion




edit: too slow mate...