massage parlours..should they be legal?

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Rai86

lol wow ...never thought i'd say this but SK ...i totally agree with you

Corrected for you - only to resume the correct balance in our "relationship"

Lol

I'm NOT really THAT bad

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Corrected for you - only to resume the correct balance in our "relationship"

Lol

I'm NOT really THAT bad

LOL all is right in the world

Everything was feeling quite odd for a minute there, with us both on the same side of an argument he he

Anyhoooo where were we...

As much as i like the idea, i don't think brothels and the like should be legal for the simple fact that i recon it would cause alot more men/women to cheat on there other half.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by GeneticBubble

As much as i like the idea, i don't think brothels and the like should be legal for the simple fact that i recon it would cause alot more men/women to cheat on there other half.

You are confusing a symptom and a cause.

The question that should be asked in those cases is "why are they cheating?"

Is it THAT much easier than taking off a ring, going to a bar, picking someone up and going back to a hotel room - thats probably also cheaper than going to a professional.

Besides thats a moral arguement and we are debating legalities.

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

I personally dont think its much of a derail, we are talking about legalisation of a parallel issue.

In both cases:

Legalisation would stop lead to the end-user no longer being a criminal.

Legalisation would allow the Government to control the source product, reducing the risks to the end user, and the supplier.

The Government would likely recoup through tax, any and all costs incurred to police said trades, unlike now where nothing from the industries comes back to the Government.

As an aside - what happened to the Chaos that was supposed to happen when we switched to 24x7 licensing?

Stop reading the Sun, if you MUST buy it, just look at the pictures

But in reality SK going and having sex with a prostitute is unlikely to tempt you into any life threatening activity that will have considerable impact on society (anyone into S&M feel free to correct me...) however it is well established that soft drugs (if I may be allowed to call Cannabis that) frequently lead the user into harder substances that they simply cannot get out of. I've just dealt with to many pitiful drug addicts to hold any other view.

[Spiderman]

I'm all for brothels being legalised for all of the reasons keith_d gave above. All very sensible.

Cannabis...please get this right people, the challenge to the Govt is not to legalise it, its to decriminalise it. Legalise it and it gets taxed and thus again goes underground simpy because it becomes way more expensive than it is now. Why would i, a dedictade smoker, want to buy my gear from the news agents and pay at least 6x the price just so the Govt can earn a tax revenue from it? legalisation only leads to more problmes and a bigger "war on drugs" that the Govt would fight harder to secure their tax revenue from.

Originally Posted by Red Herring

....however it is well established that soft drugs (if I may be allowed to call Cannabis that) frequently lead the user into harder substances that they simply cannot get out of. I've just dealt with to many pitiful drug addicts to hold any other view.

i'm sorry but it is in no way "well established". It may well be the cop out reason some addicts give, in the same way some street robbers will say "its not my fault, its cos i was beaten as a kid" is the cop out answer for them.

Saying that cannabis is a gateway drug is just narrow minded Govt propaganda. Its like saying that drinking a can of shandy as a kid will lead you to be a binge drinker or an alcoholic. The simple fact is that human nature tends to experiment with things. Some people experiment with all kinds of alcohol and go on to become alcoholics. Some do the same experimentaion and decided that just a couple of pints at the weekend is their thing. Alcohol is far more addictive than cannabis is too.

i dont deny that some of those you have met Red have said that it was cannabis that led them to a life of drugs but thats simply them stating what they tried first. Very few people will try crack as their first dabble into drugs as they see it as one of the hardest drugs, so start with something softer and see if they enjoy it.
Same way as the fella in a doorway drinking Special K probably didnt have a Special K as his first taset of alcohol either.

Dont get me wrong here, i'm fully aware of how dangerous cannabis can be to some people tho.

also cannabis and its abuse would not be a drop in the ocean compared to the costs that alcohol puts on socitey, the police and the NHS every weekend.

Anyway, sorry for the major derial but i have to correct the legalise/decriminalise and gateway drug points whenever i can as they simple are not the right things to state.

I think spiderman has hit it on the head there, its along the lines of "people that play violent games or listen to death metal will go on to kill people" what a joke! Yes Cannabis can mess you up but so does alcohol, yes you can move onto other things, but those people already have that weakness there. Does anyone know if the Dutch have experienced loads of trouble from having legalised cannabis?

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by arcdef

I think spiderman has hit it on the head there, its along the lines of "people that play violent games or listen to death metal will go on to kill people" what a joke! Yes Cannabis can mess you up but so does alcohol, yes you can move onto other things, but those people already have that weakness there. Does anyone know if the Dutch have experienced loads of trouble from having legalised cannabis?

No they havent and in the few experiments they have done with shooting galleries for hard drug users they have found that they actively can encourgae people to want to come off hard drugs, without criminalising them and putting them thru the jails to do so.

For those who dont know a shooting gallery is a secure place where needle using addicts can go. its off the street and clinically clean. They can take thie drugs and nod off safe in the knowledge that some group of hooligns aint gonna come round the corner and urinate on them or try to kcik them to death.
This has led to them realising that their addiction is not a fight against an injust world but rather their own internal struggle against themslves and since councillors are availabe to talk to at the centres they get the help when they want it. Their annecdotal evidence suggests that if they have the same "i hate my life and want to stop all this " conversation with anoher homless drug addict the only real answer another addict can give is "yeh life suck, no one cares about us...lets go get more drugs to heal the hurt" whereas in the centres they are given choices and help to get themslves clean.

I like violent music, and i get a thrill out of pwning someone on my xbox via a lovely, well exectued headshot.

But I'm not violent by nature...possibly because i have methods of release (headbanging on a friday night ). Possibly cos im a nice chap (one must blow ones trumpet sometimes)

I think legalisation of brothels would be a good idea, it means then that guidelines can be put in place to protect everyone. Spidey, that idea about places where people can go and safely take drugs and also receive councilling etc to try and help them come to terms with why they have a habit and stuff would be good here in the UK too. I watched a program on TV once, a young girl who was living rough around the brighton area, shooting up in all sorts of horrible places (some that i recognised as areas i wouldnt walk through in the day time, let alone at night). Her mum brought her clean needles so at elast she wasnt getting infections, but try as she might this poor girl couldnt get a jump on a clean life or anything

[Spiderman]

I think they tried a shotig gallery here, somewhere near Centrepoint, but due to a lack of enough essential staff at the centre and the usual bunch of NIMBY locals it didnt last long.
its a terrible shame to think that poor girl and many others like her have only one real hope. get arrested and a longish jail sentence, that way theu have access to drugs and counselling, tho sadly some jails are so full of drugs and addicts it may not actually help being in those conditions.