Corporal Punishemt

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

The day we have a society based around a laughably contradictory book written by fallible humans about an invisible man who doesn't exist is the day society truly breaks down...

It was called the "dark ages" for a reason

So very well put!

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

I regret to say I cannot take seriously the views of people who dont understand the difference between corporal and capital punishment.
That is all.

Quite

[ophic]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

I doubt there'll be much suprise from my position on this one

How do you learn right from wrong as a kid? Do you learn from your parents? From society? Both? If dad resorts to thwapping the kids and mum whenever they wrong him, and when society thwaps people whenever they wrong society what impression does that give to kids? That violence is an acceptable and normal approach to problem resolution. Don't get what you want - break out the fists - smash your wife in the chops, that'll learn her - beat the yobs with sticks, that'll learn 'em.

The very notion that the way to teach the next generation to be less violent is to show them repeated violence is so illogical it's insane.

It's like thinking that a death penalty will deter suicide bombers.

its a good point, but i'd counter it by saying that you end up with a society that abhors violence so much that it won't defend itself. And hence stops existing as soon as someone with a less enlightened view of violence comes along. And this is kinda what it happening today. Those people willing to employ violent tactics get further than those who don't.

The other problem is, if someone doesn't get dissuaded from doing something by a good whack (which is a fundamental learning process - ow that hurts, won't do it again) then removing their liberty isn't going to reform them either. Then you have the issue of just what to do with these people who won't fit into society - well lock them up, great. But now the prisons are full and there is a tremendous burden on the taxpayer, which just continues to grow.

No system is perfect, but society needs a mechanism to defeat those who threaten it. If prison isn't reforming them, then its effectively just a buffer until it gets too big to handle. Then you're back to square one.

So... what to do? btw i don't advocate shooting or beating them either, but there is no answer here. I'm all for doing what is required, so if a better solution doesn't present itself, hand me the rifle.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by vixis

yes. I'm a believer in exodus 21:23 and I would be prepared to be the government sanctioned murderer. It is murder, its just santioned murder. Having said that, I also believe that we need to improve our society a LOT more as a lot (not all, I admit) of the young offenders are there due to idiots being allowed to have children and subsequently abusing them. Give them a hobby like build their own motorbike

I'm with you on a majority of this, however the passage in full goes on to say this too:
23And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe

And as a very wise man once said, in a very moving speach... The rule of an eye for an eye just leaves the whole world blind
That was by Dr Martin Luther King Jr by the way.

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

I regret to say I cannot take seriously the views of people who dont understand the difference between corporal and capital punishment.
That is all.

keep your pompous hat on!! i said i made an error, deal with it.

that is all.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

I regret to say I cannot take seriously the views of people who dont understand the difference between corporal and capital punishment.
That is all.

That'll be "don't" then?

[Spiderman]

now, now lets all play nicely boys n girls....
The discussion is about CORPORAL punishment, known variously as getting the cane, the slipper, the ruler etc etc.

I got caned at school once... the teachers caught me and threatened to tell the cops if i smoked dope in school again

Now carry on, this could be an interesting discussion.

[maviczap]

this thread started off by how we sholud treat offenders and I'm not going to sit in either camp. I have my views, which some will agree or disagree with, whatever.

However maybe part of the problem is society and the what we treat each other. Things like respect have gone right out the window.

Half the problem is that teenagers have nothing to do, or it costs lots

In Germany teenagers have to do compulsory National service. i'm not sure if they still have too, but my wifes cousin did. This was only a few years ago.

They can volunteer for one of the military services or some sort of community service. Now before you all jump on me, this doesn't mean they get shipped off to Afganistan if they choose the military option.

My wifes relative opted for the community service option and worked in a hospital, helping out. In some small way the kids learn respect and how to be helpful on this sort of scheme

Generally they don't have the same social problems in Germany that we do, but I guess thais is due to a lot of factors.

My suggestion is not about what punishment to dish out, but MAYBE and I say again MAYBE something to stopped people offending in the first place. Keep em occupied, the devil makes work for idle hands.

I'm not suggesting that the Germans are perfect by any means, but this compulsory service would keep kids busy.

A derail of this thread slightly

[Jayneflakes]

I read a great book a little while ago that featured a main character called Alex who was the typical teenage tearaway, car theft, burglary, violence and the like and he was imprisoned and then experimented on by Psychologists to invoke revulsion at anti social behaviour. Sadly the treatment did not seem to work too well and he became a rather pathetic individual until he eventually grew up and matured. Then he developed his own moral outlook and became a whole lot nicer.

Good book, well worth a read, in fact I think they even made a film of it a while ago. I believe it was written by Anthony Burgess.

[Spiderman]

haha, knew what it was before i got to the end of the first paragraph jayney...cept you should have said ultra violence of course