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Old 06-01-10, 11:55 AM   #21
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Oy vey, think about the plight ov my people...

F***in hook nosed hypocrites...
No need to generalise now not all British are gay neither all welsh shag sheep LOL

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Old 06-01-10, 12:08 PM   #22
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Of course there is a need to generalise, if it wasn't for stereotypes I'd only be able to offend one or 2 people at once

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F***in hook nosed hypocrites...
No need to generalise now not all British are gay neither all welsh shag sheep LOL
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Old 06-01-10, 01:05 PM   #25
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Many years ago I used to go to Israel frequently. Israel and what used to be called Palestine is a complex situation.

When I first went to work I had a colleague who had been stationed out there (Palestine) in the army but never had a good word to say about the Israelis. As far as he was concerned they were terrorists who had killed many of his comrades and British civilians as well as Arabs. Don't forget in Arab Palestinian eyes Israel stole their land, and in many Israeli eyes if the land was theirs in biblical times it belongs to them now so all the land occupied now and more is rightfully theirs. I don't really think the last statement stands up to scrutiny, if so the Romans, now Italians, own a large chunk of the UK. (Israel was created by UN mandate though many Jews were being smuggled there immediately after WWII.)

When I was in Israel all those years ago many Israelis designated themselves as first generation, being those that were born there or of parents there before the creation of Israel, and the following second generation. Many of these first generation had sympathy with the Arabs and even had Arab friends, but would state it's the second generation that is causing the problems. There was certainly an arrogance among some Israelis that because of what happened to them during WWII they had a right to do whatever they thought, and then others that disagreed and said that they were behaving the same as the Nazi's had done to them.

The Palestinians have brought a lot on themselves and it is true that many Arab countries do not want Palestinians. The Arab countries and latterly the Palestinians were fighting what they thought was their rights, though I may not agree with their methods, I have to respect that right. Aren't they doing, in their eyes exactly the same as what many of the Jews in Palestine were doing to produce the creation of Israel. The only long term solution is for two states and that both respect each other. Getting there is the problem.

I think that the Israelis (but not all) have brought a lot on themselves by treating the Palestinians the way they do. They appear in many cases to treat them as parasites and in this country if we treated animals the way Palestinians have been treated we would be in court. They do not seem to understand that if you treat others with respect, as human beings with human rights, that you are far more likely to get a resolution.

Why did Hamas get greater support than Fata? Well if you read many documents on the matter they would indicate that FATA though less extreme in later years, was corrupt and did not do much for their Palestinian brethren at the local level. Hamas more extreme, but did a lot for the local population. So you tell me who would you support if living in the Gazza if being bombarded, your children and your loved ones being killed, no work, little food, no hospitals as such, but there is this group that try to make life a bit better and that you have some food, etc.

So what can we do to help the situation. Through our countries and the EU persuade Fata to end all forms of corruption and to do more for the local population. Put money into the areas to provide food, create jobs, hospitals, etc. Persuade the Israelis to change their ways and to also respect the Palestinians as human beings. Hopefully this would persuade Hamas to change its ways with regards to attacking Israel, and if not for Palestinians to transfer their allegiance to Fata and more willing to live alongside Israel.

What can the USA do to help this. Years ago it was politically more difficult, but financially Israel was more dependent on USA finance. If the finance had been threatened to have been pulled then I think the Israelis would have listened more, and may be implemented the foundations for peace.The USA can still do a lot but may be more these days by being more outspoken about Israel, and showing more consideration for the Palestinians.

The Israelis did much for occupied territory which you have to respect them for. For instance they transposed barren land to fertile and made it very productive.

The whole thing to a certain degree reminds me of an early cowboy movie (the only good indian is a dead one) transposing the indian for Israelis and Palestinians.

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I guess you don't hear much about it because 'news' means just that - new information. Old stuff that has been news but hasn't changed isn't 'news' anymore.

The news channels did actually do a big thing on the Gaza situation on the one year anniversary of the blockade the other day, but I guess there isn't enough to sustain interest froma broadcasting perspective the rest of the time.

Doesn't change the fact that the situation there sucks though! Totally disproportionate response...
Fair points oh Fizzy Fishy one, i guess i missed the news channels doing the 1 yr anniversary thing then.

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Seems to me that when the UK does the same thing to Afganistan or Iraq to get rid of Al-Qaeda there are no letters.........when another country follows the same ways though i.e. Israel against Palestine to get rid of Hamas is frowned upon.

At the same time I have not seen anyone sign a petition for the young children or women that Hamas use as a shield for when performing their "acts of good will"

One has to protect themselves and as we do with Iraq & Afganistan similarly other countries do with what they consider a risk.
Seriously, thank god TLW was here to post a sensible response to your drivel.

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The two situations aren't in the slightest way comparable, why do you think they are?

Once we've occupied Afghanistan illegally for 40 years and treated the local population as 2nd class citizens, then wondered why they resent us and attack us, then we can launch a full scale military attack killing one hundred civilians for every one of our troops and deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure despite universal condemnation from the rest of the world, call it self defence then maintain a level of squalor in the country to rival the worst ****holes around the world by refusing to allow essential medical and building supplies into the country in order to punish the civilian population further for electing a group who resist our illegal occupation/subjugation, then we'll complain how everybody is anti UK forces and dismiss criticism of our actions as "Pro-Afghanistan propaganda".

Perhaps then the situations might be comparable...
Thank you mate, another person who can clearly see with their own eyes and not just believe the nonsense propaganda the israeli war machine spis out to the press to regurgitate over and over again.

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...There was certainly an arrogance among some Israelis that because of what happened to them during WWII they had a right to do whatever they thought, and then others that disagreed and said that they were behaving the same as the Nazi's had done to them.
And another very good post. I selected this bit as its very pertinent. There is still a huge group in israel who feel this way and are disgusted by the zionists who have taken power in the govt and military and are using the jewish faith to further their illegal activities. Using it almost as a sheild against criticism cos with the criticism comes that old chestnut "you're anti-semitic" if you say that.

No right minded jewish person of faith and the operative word here is faith, not just your average card carrying "jew" agrees with how their govt is behaving towards their neighbours.

here are just a few examples:




And finally, listen to what a very well respected politician of this country and a jew himself has to say about israel and some of those serving in its govt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuY...eature=related
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There was a full page print of this letter in the Guardian a couple weeks ago but that was a paid for "advert" not cos the Guardian chose to run this as a story.
Yet a metal sign gets nicked from auschwitz and the press wanna cover that instead.
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Drivel? Sure! Funny that my response to TLW has not been commented on! I guess you are only good for supporting the arguments for what you see as unjust but you fail miserably to acknowledge that it was the uk that created this and still it's the uk that support this.

Maybe you should put your actions where your mouth is and go see how it is there yourself. Plenty of keyboard warriors on this forum these days but none with real life experiences!!
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Drivel? Sure! Funny that my response to TLW has not been commented on! I guess you are only good for supporting the arguments for what you see as unjust but you fail miserably to acknowledge that it was the uk that created this and still it's the uk that support this.

Maybe you should put your actions where your mouth is and go see how it is there yourself. Plenty of keyboard warriors on this forum these days but none with real life experiences!!
Sorry i didnt think your comments required a response since they are no about the current situation. Yes the UK created israel with their mandate and gave power to known terrorists. However what that has to do with the israeli machine now depriving people of the bare minimums they require to sustain life i dont see.
The UK govt has paid lip service to the issue by demanding that the israelis end this blockade but the israels have ignored their demands.

As as for a keyboard warrior? Hmm, you know nothing of me or my past so please dont assume you do. You spouted drivel and i pulled you up on that. You then went of to talk about history and wondered why i didnt respond. Now i have. Happy?
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Drivel? Sure! Funny that my response to TLW has not been commented on!
That was your argument?


I commented way back at 11:55 this morning... If the best justification you have for Israel's actions is that some other people somewhere also do nasty things then that's pretty pathetic to be honest. Quite why you think I should, would or could justify every mistake the country I happened to be born in has made over the course of history is a bit mystifying, but it does make for a rudimentary distraction when you know you haven't got any legitimate justification at all
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