Sack him, or keep him?

Personally I'd keep him. He's been stupid and is paying the price for it with a ban and a fine. I would however put him on a "probation" period, i.e. if your ability to meet the requirements of your committments are affected in any way (repeatedly late to jobs because of collecting him, for example) then he has to go.

i dont know what i would do, on one hand the guy could potentially loose his job and whats the chances of him getting another job in this field without a license. but at the same time he's not learnt his lesson has he? to keep getting points on your license, you'd think he'd eventually learn his lesson, especially after already being in court and being very fortunate to keep his license.

but from a purely financial view point for the company it would be a big expense to replace him. but whats to say he's going to learn his lesson this time? once he has the license back will he respect it any more? will it only be a few months till your back in the same position.

hhmmm

difficult one

you can get round it by all of the above and keep him

but..



you would be setting a precedent..

rod for your own back?

seen as soft?

would sacking him not get you respected more and harden up the others and send out a warning.. or maybe keeping him would portray you as compaqssionate in these hard times and an even better boss..

me not know.

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Sometimes its hard being the gaffer. Quiff has a point

If he's good, then keep him.

But you can get his van speed restricted nowadays. Most company vans are now speed restricted to 70mph. Some I've even seen down to 62mph. Only costs £40 at any dealer to access the ECU (depending on year of van...). Anything after 2005 can be speed restricted via the ECU..

You also get insurance discounts for having your company vans speed limited (although the drivers don't like them - but that's tough luck...)

Originally Posted by chasey

Surely if the NIP says 80, in reality his speedo was reading more than this?

Quite likely but not always the case. I have had the Satnav running in our Zafira and the speedo reads almost exactly the same as the Satnav where as speedo in my Pug lies lots.

[Dave20046]

Originally Posted by Bri w

One of my Field Service Engineers has received a NIP for speeding, 80 in a 70.

Problem is just over a year ago he had accumulated 9pts for various speeding offences when he was caught again for speeding. We wrote to the court explaining his job role required him to drive. His Solicitor argued the potential excessive hardship if he lost his job, and the Court decided on 1pt added to his licence and a huge fine.

Got call yesterday, "been caught speeding." And I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see a ban and a huge huge fine.

I could keep him on and get other engineers to pick him up and drop him off at jobs until he serves out his ban. Its an expensive option but employing and training up another engineer costs approx £130,000. He is also one of the best guys I've got, and a replacement may turn out to be a numpty.

Sack him, or keep him?

Entirely up to you; will he learn from it? Will he appreciate it? But more importantly (and linked) is he a good employee, will keeping him benefit your team in the long term?

One of our field engineers lost his license through drink (yep so a 12month ban...he claims he had one pint of carlsberg2% or whatever it is but may have been served normal carslberg in error...neither here nor there I guess) in the end we decided to keep him as he was one of our best engineers and just had him ferried about. He was worth it as he was good...but unfortunately he left a year later

[keith_d]

Personally, I think he's an idiot for speeding when he had 9 points on his license. Doing it twice is just plain stupid and pretty much guarantees a ban as well as a disciplinary hearing at work. I think you should make it clear that even if he only gets a 14 day ban, any further speeding will result in dismissal.

If he gets banned for 28 days you might make him responsible for his own transport during the ban.

If he gets 3 months you could consider allowing your most junior engineer to drive him around, providing he trains that engineer and explains everything he's doing. That way you at least get some value from the arrangement.

Of course, even if you give him a restricted van, he can still clock up points on his license with a private vehicle. So there's no guarantee that he'll toe the line after any ban.

Tricky question.

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Also how much does it now cost to insure him on company vehicles... There's a much bigger picture to consider.

If it was my company I would consider him extremely high risk.

However, I could go out tomorrow and get clocked well over 100+ on my bike and be in the exact same situation as him in as much as facing a ban.

The difference is he has clocked them up, been given a chance by receiving only 1 point previously. Then clocked them up again.

Originally Posted by G

Also how much does it now cost to insure him on company vehicles... There's a much bigger picture to consider.

If it's fleet insurance rather than individuals, then I do believe individual licence endorsements are not taken into account.