Dog insurance

[dizzyblonde]

Not sure about the private property thing.
My dogs don't like next doors cats and would eat them alive if caught, but with our own three cats they don't bat an eyelid. Well actually Honey would, Bob just follows cause hes dopey, he'd probably stand on it and wonder what to do next.
Its a tricky one that, I've seen the posty rotty thing on the news before, my dogs are nowhere near like that on their own property. Honey doesn't like the letter through the door, but shes no savage.

I don't personally agree with the idea of this new law being put in place. Not that any of our views will really matter because it sounds pretty much like the Govt is going ahead and doing this anyway in England and Wales.

I think Wideboy has hit it on the head about the point of the Chavvy scumbags who are being targeted by this law already break the law, whether it be driving with out insurance or whatever, or by owning a S1 Dangerous Dog such as a Pitbull etc. They really are not going to bother their backsides with getting an extra insurance so at the end of the day, it's just a way to make money out of the already pretty responsible owners.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that it is only the Chavs dogs who bite. Sometimes well behaved, well trained dogs do end up biting, although normally this is as a result of having been provoked. Although, some breeds are known for suddenly turning for no reason.

The other problem I see with it is attempting to enforce this law. There are millions of dogs in this country. What are the Govt intending on doing with uninsured dogs? Are they just going to have them put down or are they going to attempt to rehome them? Either way, it will cost a fortune. And is there going to be some nation database put in place? Are people out walking their dogs on a Saturday morning in the park going to be issued with Producers by the lcoal dog wardens etc to prove that they have an insurance certificate in relation to their ownership of said dogs?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

to prove that they have an insurance certificate in relation to their ownership of said dogs?

In which case Mr Micheal Mouse of Disney Drive is going to be getting a lot of "dog license points" for failing to produce!

Really, what a load of b*ll*cks it all is

[ophic]

Originally Posted by maff

Dogs do not attack unless provoked whatever dog it is.

Unfortunately just not true. Most do not. Some do.

[gruntygiggles]

Originally Posted by maff

Dogs do not attack unless provoked whatever dog it is.

Untrue. I have to disagree with this as there is such a thing as an unprovoked dog attack, they happen all the time. Some dogs just become aggressive, usually through fear based behavioural issues and learn that the best form of defence is attack, therefore they can see something as simple as a fast movement of an arm or a person holding their gaze for more than a few seconds as a threat and attack.

You can have a dog and a child happily lying on a sofa together and the child may simply move a hand a few inches and the otherwise perfectly behaved dog will feel threatened and will attack.

The major problem with dogs is the owners, that I totally agree with. But not so much that the owners don't discipline their dogs enough...more that they put far too much trust in them. I love my dogs more than I can put in words, but I can honestly say, I would never trust any dog, even the nicest, softest dog in the world as they are unpredictable by their very nature.

Most fatal dog attacks are on children and they are killes by a dog in their own family...because the parents say things like "oh, the dogs amazing with kids" and so relax and get complacent. One day, that child does something that is normal to humans, but triggers a reaction in the dog and game over.

As for the proposed laws, I would love to see licensing again, but doubt it will happen. My dogs are covered 3rd party in their insurance already and if they put the price up, I'll pay it because I'm a responsible owner.

I can't see there being too many cases of provoking dog attacks just to get a claim because most dogs would just ignore it and the kind of dog that would react and bite, should be on a lead with a muzzle on. I don't walk one of our collies without his muzzle because I don't trust him. He's the softest, most loving dog in the world when he knows you, but when he doesn't, I know he'd nip if he felt threatened. If someone provoked an attack and the dog did react, wellit would only be able to if not under the full control of the handler.....so not the dogs fault. If it happened and the dog was off the lead, well....the dog owners would have to take the responsibility. If you bought a car and were told that if you don't keep the fuel tank at least half full, the brakes would fail, you would either fix the problem or make sure you always had more than half a tank of fuel in......so you didn't cause an accident. Likewise, if you know your dog can have issues with people......put a muzzle on it or keep it on a lead and under your control.

I honestly think that it would be just as prudent to fine people for back yard breeding as it would to microchip and insure. Our vet insists that any animals registered with him be nuetered unless they are registered breeding dogs belonging to owners registered to breed (or something like that). He's fed up with the amount of puppies being badly bred and sold to owners that want a status dog. There are not enough homes for the dogs in this country as it is.

I do agree with what you're saying and unfortunately, it will never be black and white enough to find a proper solution.

Maybe postal workers can register an address where they feel the dogs pose a threat to them and then they can insist on a lockable postbox to be fixed to the exterior of the property/fence so that they never have to enter a property where threatening dogs are loose?

Who knows. I don't want to pay more, but something needs to be done. As for dog attacks on private property, I honestly think that if you know you have a dog that may bite someone, don't leave it unattended where people may come into contact with it, even your own garden. At least put a muzzle on.

Sorry, long post and I'm all confused now and can't remember what I've written...lol

Originally Posted by timwilky

dog on private property. By all means come up my drive, knock on my door or put mail in the mailbox secured to the wall.

Try to prise open the silicon sealed letterbox (idiot window licking freeby paper delivery fool) or go through the gate at the side of my house, expect to be bitten.

Fair point but this was not the case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mas-cards.html

The second picture in my oppinion is totally inapropiate.

[gruntygiggles]

Originally Posted by Mighty Boosh

Fair point but this was not the case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mas-cards.html

The second picture in my oppinion is totally inapropiate.

Agreed...media hype at its finest eh! Rotties, like all other dogs can be lovely and most of the time are just that...lovely dogs. What people forget about Rottweilers is that they were bred to herd as well as guard so like collies, they can go for someone that they feel threatened by without any warning whatsoever. They are just much more powerful and can cause a lot more damage. A lady that runs a Rottie rehab centre near us has a big male that was incredibly aggressive to people and dogs 4 years ago. Now the dog is rehabilitated and plays happily with dogs and people, whether he knows them or not. Quite rightly though, she will never trust him, so takes measures to ensure he can't ever harm anyone.

[flymo]

Being a runner I come across angry dogs quite often. It really annoys me when these animals are not under control. Often the owners will just give you this daft look and say "he wont bite you dont worry", yeah right.

I dont see how insurance is going to help at all other than to fuel a claiming culture. It wont prevent dog attacks and it wont save kids being killed by the odd occasional dangerous dog going nuts.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by gruntygiggles

so takes measures to ensure he can't ever harm anyone.

Good luck, big powerful dogs can hurt when they come and say hello

[ophic]

Originally Posted by flymo

Often the owners will just give you this daft look and say "he wont bite you dont worry", yeah right.

Yeah I can say that. I tend to gloss over the part about knocking you flying, pinning you down, licking your face off and then humping you within an inch of your life.