Parliamentary influence - if the money's right.

What I find scary is that these people have no idea how out of touch they are. Thety have no idea what real people think, how real people live their lives, how real people have moved on because they have to move on, whereas these ******s have their snouts in the trough to leech as much as possible out of a corrupt system where dishonesty and abuse for personal gain seem to be everyday events.

I saw a great poster the other day outside the United Reformed Church here in Shrewsbury. It read 'Poverty isn't the problem - it's greed'.

How true that is. Especially when it starts at the very top.

[Sid Squid]

Originally Posted by Stingo

Thought this sting thing might appear here.

And you had a feeling it was going to be me, right?

Originally Posted by Stingo

Old Johnny (or Jane in this case) Hack doing what she's paid to do sets up a couple of MP's by lying to them and pretending to be someone else - I'm sorry but that's being just as bad as they are/can be.

Now Stingo my dear chap, I like you and your considered scribblings on this here forum, but this time you're way off. There was no wrong done in exposing these thieving charlatans, Channel 4 and The Telegraph asked a number of politicians of both Red and Blue persuasion whether 'representations' on their behalf could be made in whatever Parliamentary capacity would be most effective, some, as made plain in the newspaper articles, accepted that such represenations could be made - if the dosh is right.

An open, clear and and disgusting subversion of the democratic process - for personal gain.

The only thing that C4 and the newspaper did was that wasn't completely open was not to reveal their true identity - but such a 'sting' wouldn't really be effective if they did, I rather think. Is this different to a plain clothed police operation to, say, purchase drugs? No, the respondents were not incited into such actions by C4, they perform this service and are clearly used to doing so - viva such 'stings' to expose *******s as would do this.

Note Alistair Darling's comments on the matter - they too are quite revealing, on the Andrew Marr show he said: "The best answer when you get a call like that is to put the receiver back down again. It's obvious". Got to agree it really is quite obvious, but Byers apparently didn't consider that, which rather suggests it's commonplace to be approached in such a manner, and with such a motive.

I cannot understand how people can not care about this. There has been a vile, corrosive, debilitating culture in politics, local and national, in recent years, I'm not suggesting that it's Labour alone which have caused this, but it's happened on their watch, and is precipitated by the most centralising, controlling and secretive government in living memory. And if less people care, it will only continue.

It's got to stop.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

It's got to stop.

So short of taking up the arms which we don't have... any ideas?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

So short of taking up the arms which we don't have... any ideas?

yeah, I'm in. Start a website and get a million man march in London?

Watch Dispatches on CH4 now if this is of interest to you.

[Stingo]

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

And you had a feeling it was going to be me, right?


Now Stingo my dear chap, I like you and your considered scribblings on this here forum, but this time you're way off. There was no wrong done in exposing these thieving charlatans, Channel 4 and The Telegraph asked a number of politicians of both Red and Blue persuasion whether 'representations' on their behalf could be made in whatever Parliamentary capacity would be most effective, some, as made plain in the newspaper articles, accepted that such represenations could be made - if the dosh is right.

An open, clear and and disgusting subversion of the democratic process - for personal gain.

The only thing that C4 and the newspaper did was that wasn't completely open was not to reveal their true identity - but such a 'sting' wouldn't really be effective if they did, I rather think. Is this different to a plain clothed police operation to, say, purchase drugs? No, the respondents were not incited into such actions by C4, they perform this service and are clearly used to doing so - viva such 'stings' to expose *******s as would do this.

Note Alistair Darling's comments on the matter - they too are quite revealing, on the Andrew Marr show he said: "The best answer when you get a call like that is to put the receiver back down again. It's obvious". Got to agree it really is quite obvious, but Byers apparently didn't consider that, which rather suggests it's commonplace to be approached in such a manner, and with such a motive.

I cannot understand how people can not care about this. There has been a vile, corrosive, debilitating culture in politics, local and national, in recent years, I'm not suggesting that it's Labour alone which have caused this, but it's happened on their watch, and is precipitated by the most centralising, controlling and secretive government in living memory. And if less people care, it will only continue.

It's got to stop.

I am buckling verily under intense pressure of the bleedin' obvious!

If it is as you say 'Siddernee' (and I have no reason to doubt you) then their inability at being unable to put the receiver down is buffoonery on a gargantuan scale - such a scale that has not been seen since the great slave revolt of the 1st century AD that involved somewhere around 300,000 angry & slightly disgruntled chaps rumoured to be led by one miffed fella known as Spartacus...

Your logic speaks volumes and I suppose I have to bow down to your superior knowledge...think my anger made me lose my focus on the rational bit...

Laters...

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Warthog

yeah, I'm in. Start a website and get a million man march in London?

Which would be "contained" by the police in a "peaceful" way until someone got annoyed enough about being unlawfully detained for 10 hours that they threw the first brick and then it would be played down as a violent protest.

[/devils advocate]

can the government not be replaced by a computer or something? tossers.

Originally Posted by bluefishman

can the government not be replaced by a computer or something? tossers.

But then people would have to vote over which OS - and the Mac and Windows parties would eventually become more centralised over the user interface, hardware compatibilities and programmes available to the public. They would start to appear the same and sooner or later the computer would start using its processing power to figure out a way to overcome its impositions of legislation and evolve to become our benevolent overseer, maintaining a constant vigilance for any sign of rebellion or free thinking from the organics under its control and silence these with a short trip to the showers.

Better yet, how about the government gets replaced by a bunch of sensible human beings? Rather than the vegetative variety of government we have today.

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Warthog

yeah, I'm in. Start a website and get a million man march in London?

Or do what was done to stop Simon Cowell get the Xmas number one.

Set up a Face book page, run it by the papers for publicity, and with the anger of so many people you just never know...