The 'org Election Special Thread

If in doubt, vote Conservative

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Ed

If in doubt, vote Conservative

TOFF

Originally Posted by Luckypants

Seeing as you only selectively quote me, perhaps my whole statement is not laughable?

Not voting at all, means (to me at least) that you can't complain about how the country is being run - because you did not take your chance to have a say in who should be running the country.

Now if you vote for someone and they do not keep their election promises then complain all you like. If you vote for someone and their policies turn out to be a pile of poo then really you have no grounds for complaint, you got what you voted for. You can still grumble about the fact that it's rubbish if you want . If you vote for someone but they do not get in, then you can complain long and loud about cockups from the one who did get in.

Not voting is allowing the status quo to continue and will perpetuate government by those who have the support of only a minority of people in the country. It means you cba to make a decision on who to support. As I previously stated, no one party will meet the expectations of the usual voter. Apparently my views are 50% LD and 25% UKIP plus a smattering of other parties - go square that given LD and UKIP views on immigration and EU membership. So in a genuine contest I'll be voting for the party whose policies most closely match my own agenda and that is the Lib-Dems.

So although the 'don't vote, don't complain' is a nice glib phrase, for me it underlines the more serious message that we need to vote if we want to have a say in how the country is run.

Well you certainly have a good point now you've fleshed it out. I probably just jumped the gun a bit as this topic has come up a few times over the past couple of weeks down the pub, and when asked I've simply said I still don't have a party I like enough to vote them in - to which I get responses basically saying that if I don't vote, I can't discuss politics at any level (effectively: shut up ).

My general argument is by abstaining I believe I have the same right to complain than if I voted for someone else, but only if I don't like any of the candidates for my area. I'd much rather abstain than vote unjustifiably just for the sake of it which could possibly put someone into power when I deep down didn't really want them to be in that position - if this makes any sense at all.

I'm just disapointed that there isn't a "none of the above" box, but I guess marking your card works for that.

I think I genuinely don't believe any of the manifestos which is making it hard for me to choose. For example the Lib Dems claim that under their government we won't have to pay income tax on the first £10k of earnings...yet the country is in a serious amount of debt. How does this help things, and will it actually happen? I doubt it.

im thinking that we need someone whos going to resolve all our financial issues while bringing the country forward. so im voting bnp.......

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by AndyBrad

im thinking that we need someone whos going to resolve all our financial issues while bringing the country forward. so im voting bnp.......

The problem with the BNP is that most of the candidates look like they've only recently been released from prison


I know, I know, not all of them...


Some of them really have only just been released from prison...

This is an excellent article that you should read if you're thinking of voting Conservative. Despite Cameron's shiny new exterior, most of the party is still full of horribly bigoted people who want to screw the poor and vulnerable over.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...d-1962318.html

Originally Posted by TazDaz

For example the Lib Dems claim that under their government we won't have to pay income tax on the first £10k of earnings...yet the country is in a serious amount of debt. How does this help things, and will it actually happen? I doubt it.

I hope they do do this. The massive problem in this lazy society that Labour created is that it is more lucrative to be on benefits than to work at a low-paid job. Removing the tax on the first £10K earnt would encourage many more people to work rather than lounge around on benefits, it would reduce the cost to the government of paying out benefits, it would reduce crime and the cost to the Police force for people not in work resorting to crime, working increases overall happiness and gives people a sense of worth, it would just be better in so many ways for our society as a whole. How the lib dems intend to pay for this is set out in their manifesto, and is written by Vince Cable who has a PhD in Economics who really should know what he is on about!

To me labour always used to mean they stood up for the working man.
However more accuratly what happend was this was just some schpeil they spewed in order to make the minors and labourers vote Labour. The perspective towards the blue collor toffs in the conservative party was that they were the ones who caused the pits to close etc and this provided Labour with the propaganda they needed to swing voters in thier favour.
(i only learned all this recently so sorry to anyone whos reading it thinking "well der!!"

Anyway, following on from them winning through, Labour have bled the state dry by chucking money at those who cant afford to repay it. They've allowed for spending where its not essential and in turn reduced the ways that money is getting replenished. So its made worse the situation they were suposed to be fixing to begin with.
Under labour the poor get wealthier, true! but under labour the state became Bankrupt and that fecked us all.
Want my honest opinion, you vote labour and your a fool. You're showing you support the way things are currerntly run. Im not suggesting the other parties will do a better job or will be able to fix the mess we're in but to show your support to the ones who've sunk what was the greatest ship on the planet would be a display of your lack of British pride.

OMG LOL IM UKIP!
Im not but reading that back it sounds very Killroy!

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by leedsmatt7

To me labour always used to mean they stood up for the working man.
However more accuratly what happend was this was just some schpeil they spewed in order to make the minors and labourers vote Labour.

Minors aren't allowed to vote...

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by TazDaz

I think I genuinely don't believe any of the manifestos which is making it hard for me to choose. For example the Lib Dems claim that under their government we won't have to pay income tax on the first £10k of earnings...yet the country is in a serious amount of debt. How does this help things, and will it actually happen? I doubt it.

LibDem's are going to raise taxes on the top x% of earners, in effect balancing the books that way.

There's nowt wrong with abstaining, and I can't see why you can't join in a debate. Your opinion is as valid as the next man or woman. Apathy, i.e. not bothering to vote is something else.

And I also agree with tactical voting (I would seeing as thats what I'm doing). Where I live Labour have a 10k majority over LibDem and 18k majority over the Cons. I don't want Labour but feel that in a rabid red area a vote for the blues would be wasted. The local Labour candidate is not popular and there is a good possibility of LibDems winning - everyone I've spoken to has said LibDem.