Stoned to death

Originally Posted by thulfi

lmao if people think stoning was first mentioned in muslim holy book.

Try most the ones before it as well. Including one that begins with B.

That may be the case, but over the last couple of thousand years other religions seem to have moved with the times and accepted that barbaric practices are just that, barbaric. Islam appears to be stuck in the dark ages.


If anyone thinks this kind of thing is limited to one or two rebel Islamic nations then think again. Saudi Arabia were still stoning people openly in Jeddah in 1993, as witnessed by my ex-wife from a hotel window when she was working out there as a nurse. There have been numerous reports of other public stonings in more recent years. This is despite claiming that stoning had been outlawed some years previously. But, Saudi, due to their strategically handy location, being politically very powerful in international terms and also one of the friendlier oil-rich nations, can get away with anything it likes without the UK or US governments saying a thing.

This country will get Sharia law over my dead body. I won't sit back and let that happen without a bitter fight.

Very sadly public stoning is also a common event in Somalia. For exmaple:

Dec 2009 a man accused of adultery was stoned to death

Nov 2009 a 20 year old woman was stoned to death by Somali Islamists, accused of adultery after giving birth to a still-born baby

Oct 2008 a 13 year old girl publically tortured and stoned to death after she claimed she had been raped.

Is unbelievable that this kind of barbarity still goes on around the world.

The Beeb reports that this is no longer happening

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...t/10565103.stm

it is disgusting that in this day and age this sort of stuff still goes on. As for celebrities and other governments gettings involved, I dont agree with that, the woman is from that country, knows the rules and the risks. If it was a tourist then fair enough get involved.

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by kitkat

it is disgusting that in this day and age this sort of stuff still goes on. As for celebrities and other governments gettings involved, I dont agree with that, the woman is from that country, knows the rules and the risks. If it was a tourist then fair enough get involved.

I agree with the idea of self determination, and non-interference but just where do you draw the line?

Should no one have been brought to trial for the genocide in Germany, the former Yugoslavia, Angola, Rwanda and so on? There is nothing wrong with providing 'guidance' to developing countries, and if that means sanctions to stop horrendous human rights breaches then so be it.

Originally Posted by Bri w

I agree with the idea of self determination, and non-interference but just where do you draw the line?

Should no one have been brought to trial for the genocide in Germany, the former Yugoslavia, Angola, Rwanda and so on? There is nothing wrong with providing 'guidance' to developing countries, and if that means sanctions to stop horrendous human rights breaches then so be it.

yeah but who exactly are we to dictate to anothe country with completely different types of laws, cultures and the way in people see things. Why should we tell them we don't like what they are doing-and impose our way of thinking.

Its almost like asking them to interfere in one of our judicial cases - Face it countries are never going to see eye to eye on this.

Lozzo stated that sharia law over his dead body - so we don't like when someone else thinks about doing to our own culture just a tad hypocritical??

My own opinion is that I do think its barabaric and think its wrong but its their country. (there still a lot of barbaric practises going on in UK let sort out or own before we go gung-ho to other places)

[Sid Squid]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

There is absolutely no excuse for barbarism like this whatever the pretext or whatever religion.

+ 1 more.

Vile.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

This country will get Sharia law over my dead body. I won't sit back and let that happen without a bitter fight.

I think you'd find yourself with a lot of backup.

But... there's a huge difference between actual Islam (the religion) and what actually goes on in these Islamic countries. Much of it is cultural and not religious - however the two are often indistiguishable as what is "taught" (read forced) as Islam isn't the same as what enlightened western Muslims think of it. Most of the time it just seems to be used as a way of controlling the uneducated masses.

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Quedos

yeah but who exactly are we to dictate to anothe country with completely different types of laws, cultures and the way in people see things. Why should we tell them we don't like what they are doing-and impose our way of thinking.

Its almost like asking them to interfere in one of our judicial cases - Face it countries are never going to see eye to eye on this.

Lozzo stated that sharia law over his dead body - so we don't like when someone else thinks about doing to our own culture just a tad hypocritical??

My own opinion is that I do think its barabaric and think its wrong but its their country. (there still a lot of barbaric practises going on in UK let sort out or own before we go gung-ho to other places)

I'm not suggesting we should be looking to change their laws or culture, just their sentencing.

There isn't a country in the world that doesn't have something that may appear wrong in the eyes of other nations, and we certainly have our own problems but if someone doesn't speak out what will change?

The Iranian Embassy has announced that she will no longer be stoned, and I guess that's down to international pressure. That doesn't mean she isn't guilty of a crime in her country, and I don't have a problem with that irrespective of whether I think that law is archaic. As has been said, their laws and their country.