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Old 03-04-11, 08:59 PM   #21
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Our standards Mike, our standards
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Old 03-04-11, 09:27 PM   #22
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Can you smell sumit? or is it just me being over sensitive?
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Old 06-04-11, 12:58 PM   #23
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The rules are there to read. It states quite clearly what i have said
You may interpret them how you like but the scrutineers will interpret them the way they have been told to which could result in your exclusion.

That is, the fork caps must remain as standard. If Suzuki sell the part intended for an SV then you can use it. If it is aftermarket or has been modified externally in any way you are not allowed to use it.

Essentially that means you can have the stock blank caps if you have an early carb'd SV or the preload only caps found on later bikes. There are no other options.
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Old 06-04-11, 02:35 PM   #24
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Any four-stroke twin cylinder motorcycle originally sold for road use with a water cooled engine of up to 650cc, or an air cooled engine of up to 820cc, may be used provided it adheres to the 72 SAE hp power limit for the series.

Lets start with the 1st and most important RULE first eh?
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Old 06-04-11, 03:29 PM   #25
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Mike, you can't word a rule that says one thing but means another.

If it went to court about the fork cap statement what would be ruled.
'Fork caps may not be modified or replaced beyond the homologated standard to allow external adjustments'
There is ambiguity in this statement. If my bike meets this statement how could i be excluded ?

How can this mean the caps can't be changed ?

If it read. "The fork caps may not be modified or replaced. They must not exceed the homologated standard to allow external adjustments' That means what it says.

Simples

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Old 06-04-11, 05:44 PM   #26
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Toot, i totally agree with you, beyond the homologated standard ? no their not. simples

See you frriday
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Old 06-04-11, 06:04 PM   #27
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Weather is looking good mike

You doing the Friday ??
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Old 06-04-11, 06:57 PM   #28
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Mike, you can't word a rule that says one thing but means another.

If it went to court about the fork cap statement what would be ruled.
'Fork caps may not be modified or replaced beyond the homologated standard to allow external adjustments'
As I said, you can read it how you like but the rule is very clearly. It says 'homologated standard'. It doesn't say 'homologated functionality' or any interpretation there of.

And before you try to tell me the rules I wrote are wrong or unclear perhaps you might wish to read the one of the rules at the top of the document that states:

"Each club may appoint Eligibility Officers for the class. They will refer to the organisers of the series for the definitive interpretation of these regulations. This decision will be final."

You can argue, contradict or complain all you like but the rules are quite clear and the only interpretation that counts are the 'organisers of the series'.

Unless you are running with a club that doesn't have permission to call their class MiniTwins in which case the rules are irrelevant.
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Old 06-04-11, 07:15 PM   #29
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Weather is looking good mike

You doing the Friday ??
Yes pal, im doing the half day friday, could you have a look over TRIGGER II to make sure she FULLY complies with the full rules and regulations, I wouldnt sleep it she wasnt
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Old 06-04-11, 09:02 PM   #30
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If you consider that rule very clear and unabiguous then i really think you need to sit and consider it. If you only need to change the wording to make it clear for riders to understand, isn't it worth the time to do ?

The stance of 'it's my ball and i can do what i like with it' doesn't help anyone Mike.

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