Retributive Justice

Originally Posted by The Idle Biker

Like when countries stone women for infidelity?

I'd like to say blind the basterd that did it to the girl, but it's a big jump from the saying to the doing. Lock him up, throw away the key. There have been acid attacks here in the UK and so called honour killings, it's so low it unspeakable. All cowardly, all scum, poor girl.

I still say the same for that case too. Yes it was a miscarriage of justice but media reporting is very one sided so unles we were there i don't believe in judging.
Its their country and we have been involved into many disputes where western countries have stuck there noses in. Soon as it comes over here as part of our justice then I'll start.

Yeah saying and doing is a big jump which is why america have so many on death row and why although we have life sentances it never is life. We need to sort out our own justice system first to deal with the crime that are committed here before launching an attacj on some one else justice system.

Originally Posted by Quedos

I still say the same for that case too. Yes it was a miscarriage of justice but media reporting is very one sided so unles we were there i don't believe in judging.
Its their country and we have been involved into many disputes where western countries have stuck there noses in. Soon as it comes over here as part of our justice then I'll start.

Yeah saying and doing is a big jump which is why america have so many on death row and why although we have life sentances it never is life. We need to sort out our own justice system first to deal with the crime that are committed here before launching an attacj on some one else justice system.

Fair enough your point of view, I just can't turn a blind eye to that type of thing myself though.

Don't get me wrong I don't like the idea of it just have to appreciate it someone else way of dealing with it

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by The Idle Biker

Like when countries stone women for infidelity?

I'd like to say blind the basterd that did it to the girl, but it's a big jump from the saying to the doing. Lock him up, throw away the key. There have been acid attacks here in the UK and so called honour killings, it's so low it unspeakable. All cowardly, all scum, poor girl.

Shoot them. Simple, cheap, effective.

Honour killings over here, I'd like to say catapult them into the middle east somewhere and shout "did you just call allah a c*nt?"... but that would be complex, so shoot them as well.

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Wise words from my grandad "never trust a man who has millions in the bank but always wears flip-flops and a sheet"

He's just "keepin’ it real, yo"

Originally Posted by Quedos

this is going to hurt - but I'm with Lozzo ( ouch)

Originally Posted by Quedos

that's their law and its their country therefore they are the one that should hand out justice in the way that they see fit. It may not fit with our ideas but who are we to intervene in the running of their justice system.

Hmmm. I've spoken to a few Iranian people about their country. The people of Iran generally seem to be a modern, progressive / intelligent demographic... very 'clued up' and switched on.

Apparently the vast, vast majority of the younger population are terrified and disgusted by their governments stone-age ruling (which this revenge-based acid justice is an example of), consistent human rights violations and general oppression, so as far as I'm concerned the "oh leave them to it, it's just their culture and they don't know any different" argument is ignorant.


Whether or not some western force should wade in to 'sort it out' somehow is a separate and very technical debate, but it's a huge problem and lots of people suffer as a result.

No different to kill and be killed. Blind and get blinded. It essentially boils down to the capital punishment debate, but we know a lot of countries on this side of the world that are ok with that.

If someone chopped off your balls wouldn't you wanna chop of theirs back? Better person than I am if you can forgive.

Ultimately though much worse stuff happen in Iran than this, at least this is kind of fair. It's not gona bring the poor girls sight back but at least he'll know what it felt like. That'd be enough for me if I was the victim.

All good and well saying what your feelings towards the criminal would be if it happened to you, but until you get acid poured onto your eye you're just speculating.

[Biker Biggles]

Actually we gave up behaving like mediaeval savages a few years ago.Some other places havnt got there yet which is what makes us better than them.

Unashamed elitism I know,but true

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by thulfi

No different to kill and be killed. Blind and get blinded. It essentially boils down to the capital punishment debate, but we know a lot of countries on this side of the world that are ok with that.

If someone chopped off your balls wouldn't you wanna chop of theirs back? Better person than I am if you can forgive.

Ultimately though much worse stuff happen in Iran than this, at least this is kind of fair. It's not gona bring the poor girls sight back but at least he'll know what it felt like. That'd be enough for me if I was the victim.

All good and well saying what your feelings towards the criminal would be if it happened to you, but until you get acid poured onto your eye you're just speculating.

This IMO is why victims shouldn't have a part in justice, revenge twists things. In this case against the good of everyone, because what's going to happen to the now blinded bloke?

For the greater good, the man's clearly a f*cknut, shoot him.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

This IMO is why victims shouldn't have a part in justice, revenge twists things. In this case against the good of everyone, because what's going to happen to the now blinded bloke?

For the greater good, the man's clearly a f*cknut, shoot him.

I agree, victims shouldnt. Not to say the government can't do it on their behalf though.

Sometimes shooting is too easy a punishment for the criminal. Makes it less messy agreed.

Obvious example, Bin Laden got off lightly. An example that can be applied to endless other criminals.

[Bibio]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Actually we gave up behaving like mediaeval savages a few years ago.Some other places havnt got there yet which is what makes us better than them.

Unashamed elitism I know,but true

yes we are that far ahead of them we behave like bullies instead