Why I argue against Apple products

[Fallout]

Originally Posted by Spank86

More likely its simply a part of their "walled garden" ethos, bluetooth to other devices would be an ungarded gate allowing unverified stuff to enter.

If you want that then you should probably have an android.

Yes, but I think their "walled garden" ethos has little to do with security and reliability and more to do with making money. If you have total control over software for your system you can take a bite out of every transaction. Anyone can develop for their own iPhone privately, so malicious unchecked software can still be spread, just not by their regulated market place or other restricted systems.

I doubt there's anything to stop someone writing a bluetooth program to simulate an iPhone and communicate with one, and potentially be malicious. I believe Apple chooses not to support standard protocols purely because the ability to communicate with other devices reduces the need for a mac and an ipod and an iphone. I quote Nikon above ...

I have an MacBook Pro, MacBook, iPad 2, the new iPad, iPhone, Apple Tv, and anything else Apple.

Pure and simple because they just all work together and SHMBO can't use anything else that requires the simplest configuration - much less effort for me to do anything!

Once you're big enough with attractive enough products, you can ignore and purposefully exclude support for competitor devices and begin your monopoly. That's the Apple long game, me thinks.

Originally Posted by Fallout

Anyone can develop for their own iPhone privately, so malicious unchecked software can still be spread, just not by their regulated market place or other restricted systems.

only if you jailbreak the Iphone, essentially knocking down the walls and giving you an expensive android phone with no warranty.

Originally Posted by Fallout

I doubt there's anything to stop someone writing a bluetooth program to simulate an iPhone and communicate with one, and potentially be malicious. I believe Apple chooses not to support standard protocols purely because the ability to communicate with other devices reduces the need for a mac and an ipod and an iphone. I quote Nikon above ...

the only thing preventing it is that apple try their best to protect their phones, if it was easy there'd be an app to send photos to ipods in the android store.

You could equally use the wifi capability or even the phone signal to spread malicious software but it' not easy or widespread.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Do you have to have your house rewired with apple branded 230V to plug the f***ers in too

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Fallout

Yes, but I think their "walled garden" ethos has little to do with security and reliability and more to do with making money. If you have total control over software for your system you can take a bite out of every transaction. Anyone can develop for their own iPhone privately, so malicious unchecked software can still be spread, just not by their regulated market place or other restricted systems.

It costs you £99 (or is it $99) for the Apple SDK, that only runs on Apple.

You can only put your developed Apps on a few phones with that, to get wide-spread distribution you would need to submit it to Apple to get them to Certify it and then put it in the Store.

This is great as it adds to security.

However the other side of the coin.

I can download the Android SDK for free, write an app thats useful only to me and my friends and guve them the program file to install on their Android phones as long as they have chosen to let non Marketplace apps be installed.

This adds to the functionality of the platform.

The decision is what is more important to you.

Freedom to do what you want with the device you purchased, or the safety of someone else deciding what is good for you.

My iPhone is the only phone where I've managed to use every function. It plays music through my sena Bluetooth on my bike, in my car, and synchs everything with my iPad. I certainly wouldn't buy the latest unless my two died, but do love the simplicity and logic of apple stuff. It is expensive though.

[jambo]

Stolen from The Lone Wolf:


I don't have a point, I just wanted to post that up

[Fallout]

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

It costs you £99 (or is it $99) for the Apple SDK, that only runs on Apple.

You can only put your developed Apps on a few phones with that, to get wide-spread distribution you would need to submit it to Apple to get them to Certify it and then put it in the Store.

This is great as it adds to security.

However the other side of the coin.

I can download the Android SDK for free, write an app thats useful only to me and my friends and guve them the program file to install on their Android phones as long as they have chosen to let non Marketplace apps be installed.

This adds to the functionality of the platform.

The decision is what is more important to you.

Freedom to do what you want with the device you purchased, or the safety of someone else deciding what is good for you.

Price is more important to me, hence I'm an Android user. Started off on a dirt cheap phone, then updated a couple of times, always paying half the cost of an iPhone.

I know where you're coming from btw. I have developed two games for Android (game developer by trade ... if you can call it that). Will post up some links if you're interested. Have you made any apps?

I don't drink cider. I'm just not compatible with it.

It's not the "walled garden", the lack of functionality, the corporate branding or any other reason put forward so far that prevents me from buying anything Apple - it's the fact that 99% of Apple fan-bois are smug to55ers and I don't want to be perceived by the general public and my friends as being the same. I can be my own brand of to55er without needing some crap piece of electronic hardware to help me along.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Lozzo

It's not the "walled garden", the lack of functionality, the corporate branding or any other reason put forward so far that prevents me from buying anything Apple - it's the fact that 99% of Apple fan-bois are smug to55ers and I don't want to be perceived by the general public and my friends as being the same. I can be my own brand of to55er without needing some crap piece of electronic hardware to help me along.

+1 - that was the unwritten part of my post

I knew someone, probably Lozzo would come along and voice it for me