Apparently rare footage of the japanese surrender, 1945

[yorkie_chris]

I don't know how anyone could not find that time of history interesting.

Heroic acts, famous leaders, grand strategies and tactics.
Or you've got the engineering of 2000hp petrol powered monsters that could touch 500mph, or guns that could fire half a tonne of supersonic thunder ten miles and more carried by ships the size of towns.
Planes navigating across continents and finding aircraft carriers in the middle of oceans in the days before microprocessors and transistors and satellites.

Come on, that sort of history makes any fiction look dull. The very best of humanity in heroism, patriotism and ingenuity (on all sides), and the very worst...

Originally Posted by tactcom7

a Japanese man being brought aboard a warship and effectively, humiliated is not so (to me).

I dunno about that term.

Signing the dotted line to say your country has lost a conflict in which it was the aggressor is never going to be a bag of roses. To me the ceremony looked fairly respectful considering the circumstances.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I don't know how anyone could not find that time of history interesting.

Heroic acts, famous leaders, grand strategies and tactics.
Or you've got the engineering of 2000hp petrol powered monsters that could touch 500mph, or guns that could fire half a tonne of supersonic thunder ten miles and more carried by ships the size of towns.
Planes navigating across continents and finding aircraft carriers in the middle of oceans in the days before microprocessors and transistors and satellites.

Come on, that sort of history makes any fiction look dull. The very best of humanity in heroism, patriotism and ingenuity (on all sides), and the very worst...

I dunno about that term.

Signing the dotted line to say your country has lost a conflict in which it was the aggressor is never going to be a bag of roses. To me the ceremony looked fairly respectful considering the circumstances.

Agreed

Tbh, i couldnt give a rats ass if its respectful or not, they way they treated human beings didnt deserve any respect but we still gave it to them, so we shouldnt apologise if its slightly demeaning to them.

Remember folks, these were the aggressors, not us, im pretty sure if the tables were turned, we wouldnt have got the same level of respect in return.

All i said was that part didnt interest me, im not some sort of jap sympathiser!

Having said that, im sure we/the US hardly went around firing daisies out of rifles and asking everyone to just get along either.

Originally Posted by tactcom7

All i said was that part didnt interest me, im not some sort of jap sympathiser!

Having said that, im sure we/the US hardly went around firing daisies out of rifles and asking everyone to just get along either.

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We only returned fire to those that fired upon us first

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Another example is the history of Israel and Palestine (something which it turns out people very close in my family tree are directly responsible for, anyone on here who knows my surname will realise what I'm talking about).

tbh, considering the enormous f&ck up that was, and subsequently still is, the creation of Israel in a fit of guilt-filled hand-wringing politically naive stupidity, I'm not sure I would admit that anyone I know, let alone was related to, had anything to do with it. So fair play to you Ralph.

(and before anyone accuses me of anti-Semitism, I'm not)

Re the OP and other history related comments, we took the boys to see WW1 cemeteries in Normandy a couple of years ago which was very educational, for us as well as them. Also, if you're ever in Reims (France, Champagne region for those who don't know) go and see where the WW2 European surrender was ACTUALLY signed, before it had to be re-signed in Berlin because the Americans didn't feel a senior enough German was available in Northern France.

To paraphrase somebody - what we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat. So learn, guys.

It was long before I was born mate

And although one man wrote the letter to Lord Rotheschild and had his name pinned to it, I doubt it was all one mans idea anyway, there were others in cabinet at the time and he was no longer prime minister so wouldnt have had the final say.