You never know what's around the corner!

It was the loose gravel which gave me concern, but obviously by the replies I should not have been!
One thing for sure is peoples perception of hazards differs greatly and if nothing else it caused a little debate!
With regards to the speed shown that is of course in that stupid darn european rubbish, I must read up how to change the settings ;o) and looking back at the video I should not have been heading into the corner at 90 kilo thingy wotsits!

[Littlepeahead]

Loose gravel on the SV used to scare me, first week I had the gs I hit a load I hadn't seen masked by dappled sunlight and it fishtailed about a bit but felt so different in an upright position with semi knobbly tyres, though Rob H behind me said he was wondering if I was going to lose it. Since then I've worried far less about gravel. Some of the roads in Thailand are appalling and they've definitely given me more confidence over here. (In Thailand the elephants round the blind bend really are an issue though, they don't even go single file)

[NTECUK]

Originally Posted by Bibio

never ever pull the clutch in. only time you pull the clutch in is coming to a stop or changing gear. the second you pull that clutch in is the second you loose what ever traction you have or would have so it's an instant recipie for disaster.

Sunday I did a FireBike skills day.
One of the things that they teach is when you do an emergency stop, pull in the clutch.
So it's different strokes for different folks
It's actually hard to do if like me your not used to it.
The theroy behind it is sound ie a turning wheel has stability, so what happens when you got the back wheel a few inches of the ground it's not going to skid when it lands and is helping if it's just in the air spinning.

Originally Posted by NTECUK

Sunday I did a FireBike skills day.
One of the things that they teach is when you do an emergency stop, pull in the clutch.
So it's different strokes for different folks
It's actually hard to do if like me your not used to it.
The theroy behind it is sound ie a turning wheel has stability, so what happens when you got the back wheel a few inches of the ground it's not going to skid when it lands and is helping if it's just in the air spinning.

A none driving wheel (clutch pulled in) will lock up very easily, same as your car, don't slam on the brakes and push clutch in at the same time, it will lock (non abs).

[NTECUK]

Originally Posted by Specialone

A none driving wheel (clutch pulled in) will lock up very easily, same as your car, don't slam on the brakes and push clutch in at the same time, it will lock (non abs).

We were not panic breaking ,It was a progressive but firm 4 finger proper hard squeeze to teach you how quickly you can stop front tyre pushed in the road.None of the 2 finger panic, jab on breaking that apparently causes most lock ups.
On a disused air strip the surface was still very grippy,
I don't think I manged to get my clutch in as the Daytona just wanted to put its tail in the air so was kinda bricking it every tie i did it
We did the intentional front wheel lock up and,with M5's it does take a fair old bit of animalisum to get them to let go, sattisfying howl and smoke when i did

[Bibio]

i do wish they would stop teaching this to learners and so called advanced riding. if your bike rear wheel is in the air you are not braking correctly. as specialone says if you pull the clutch in your going to lock up. this practice is taught at all training schools so you can pass your test due to not stalling while doing an emergency stop. passing your test has nothing to do with being a good rider/driver. same goes for them teaching you to 'ride up the middle of your side of the road' in your lessons. top tip: stay out the middle as that's where all the shizz gets moved to by cars so you end up with oil, screws/nails, glass etc.etc on your tyres so learn to 'ride the tracks'.

you pull the clutch in at the very very last second and almost at stop. engine braking + friction from tyre's and brakes will make you stop faster and in more control than grabbing a handful of front brake and pulling the clutch in.

[NTECUK]

In fairness I don't think I can un learn the clutch in last moment thing if I had to use an emergency stop. Your likely to just go back to old habits.
But I did stop in a shorter distance on just the front brake with the back in the air(this was near to the end of the stop last 3 meters maybe). Mostly I guess as the surface was gripping and the tyre did a good job.
Even a z1000 and a zx10 with abs still lifted the back wheel of the ground
Oh i did get a moan at for locking the back wheel too,But like Bilbo I was taught you use both brakes (un learning nearly 40 years of bike ridding is difficult in a day!)Ok maybe 80% maybe 90% front but still the back is adding to the effort

[ophic]

Did my test a long while ago now, but back then they taught, for an emergency stop, forget everything but the brakes. Front/rear balance, keeping rear wheel down, fine. Clutch in when you come to a stop was completely optional. You wouldn't fail if you stalled it.

2-stroke 125s had naff all engine braking anyway.

[Bibio]

first time i had a go on a bike with ABS i kept feathering the front brake when the ABS kicked in. took me a few goes to get used to it. i still do the same in the car. my brain feels the bike/car lock up and immediately tells my hand/foot to let some of the pressure off.