worse than driving with a mobile

[NTECUK]

Originally Posted by timwilky

You may have met the daughter, she borrowed it to move her stuff to/from leeds

Then again you are alive. so no chance you met the daughter, she is a nasty piece of work, her mum and I live in fear of her.

(so do the house door frames)

No was a bloke that got the Bird,

[Jayneflakes]

I so feel your frustration coming through in this Tim, there is an arrogance in the opinion from the other driver that they can do something that ultimately is completely stupid and dangerous that puts other's lives at risk.

It must also be so disheartening to have to be in the emergency services and arrive at a collision only to discover that the mistake that caused it and hurt people was something stupid and easily avoided.

Last week I and several other people witnessed a selfish driver nearly cause an accident with an Ambulance that was on call. Rather than pull over in a safe place or continue to drive until it was safe, the car driver caused the ambulance to swerve, narrowly miss a traffic island on a junction and then brake hard to have to trundle along while the car driver looked for a parking space.

I look around at some of the people on the roads and I understand why we need so many laws. Some people are just ignorant of the power that they have to cause harm to others, while others may know but just do not care. I shake my head and move on in life hopeful that if I meet these people on the road I am wise enough to avoid the accident that they could potentially cause.

Recently I had a driver drive through a give way with out looking, causing me to brake hard and swerve. Moments later a white van driver pushed through onto a roundabout causing traffic coming from his right which included me, to brake hard and stop. I was verbally abused recently for not realising that the driver who was indicating left and slowing down before a left turn, did not in fact wish to turn left, but wanted to go straight on and had in fact left his indicator on by accident. I had pulled out and accelerated away, but he was not to be deterred and had to tell me what he thought of me.

Our roads are depressing places and sometimes wonder why I continue to ride.

Driving up the M3 yesterday I was shocked by the number of drivers who are oblivious to the fact that they should be travelling in the inside lane. Swooping deliberately from inside to outside lane and back again didn't make them realise, undertaking them did nothing.

This inevitably leaves a queue of frustrated drivers in the outside lane, driving up each other's backsides.

I can only think that the act of changing lanes occasionally to overtake slower traffic might distract them from whatever they are using to distract themselves from driving.

Originally Posted by Red Herring

Hence my second paragraph. Until we start treating the "Oh I didn't know that putting my makeup on whilst joining a dual carriageway was wrong, why isn't there a law against it" excuse with the contempt it deserves we are never going to make progress. Instead we continue to adopt the approach that it isn't societies place to accept responsibility for itself but "someone else's" fault for allowing them to be so irresponsible....

This, in my very personal opinion of course, is one of the biggest dangers facing "western" society. TOTAL LACK OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING. If you do something utterly stupid, as long as there hasn't been a specific warning/law etc then it wasn't your fault. Did you scald yourself with that coffee balanced between your legs? Don't worry, sue McDonald's for not warning you it was hot. Obviously, had it been cold, you would have complained about substandard coffee. Opened a car door in the path of a cyclist? Don't worry, it's not your fault for not checking so yell at the cyclist instead for not stopping in time. Cycled across a red light and been hit by a car? No problem, prove the driver was on the phone and, suddenly, it isn't your fault anymore. It won't matter that a fully trained police pursuit driver wouldn't have been able to avoid you, it still wasn't your fault.

Basically, we have spent the last few decades allowing ourselves to become infantilised. We constantly blame other people for our own stupidity rather than putting our hand up and saying, "Ooops, sorry, my fault."

Sorry, rant over.

[Paul the 6th]

driving into, through and out of london - you could be riding along with your c*ck in your hand and no one would bat an eyelid. The other week I saw a woman reading a magazine in 20mph/stop start traffic...

Then on the m1 just north of j28 there was a guy in lane 3 cruising at 60mph with frustrated drivers tailgating him for a mile or two before undertaking (myself included)... Oh... how rude of us, he was tapping on the iPad in his lap.

[NTECUK]

Simply the most important thing is to remove the no passing on the left

Originally Posted by NTECUK

Simply the most important thing is to remove the no passing on the left

I disagree. Firstly, because those who aren't aware that you can't just sit in lane 3 at 55 will never find out about it, shout and scream at those undertaking them and cause more accidents. Secondly, people seem to find it hard enough to look to their right before overtaking, heaven forbid they should ever have to start looking left as well. More accidents.

IIRC there was talk of making lane hogging an offence in itself. If this is the case, then most of these problems can be solved with I little education and higher police presence. The odd beating wouldn't go amiss either.

I think the biggest problem is that people just couldn't give a f*ck about anybody but themselves. Couple that with ludicrous ideas about what the Highway Code in their head says and you have a recipe for disaster.

I had a woman the other day cut in front of me while filtering. When I beeped at her she shouted "I was indicating you have to give way to me!" To which I replied "read the f*cking Highway Code you ignorant b!tch!"

I was a touch irritable that morning.

Education and enforcement of the laws already in place. Adding more laws will do the sum total of f*ck all if nobody is there to enforce them. We could pass a law saying that you can no longer walk backwards. Nobody is going to pay attention to it and nobody ever would because nobody would enforce it.


I drive the same roads all the time twice a day. If I ever see a police car it's a rarity. With such a distinct lack of presence it's no wonder nobody gives a toss.

F*ck building a railway that will save a grand total of 20minutes that gives no advantage to anyone. Spend the several BILLION on something more worth while. F*uck HS2!! Nobody needs it few people want it and it'll cause far more hassle than it'll ever solve. Simple way to think about this, we can't afford it. We are massively in debt. When you don't have the money for something, can you buy it? No. Can you afford something you don't have the money for? No. WELL DONT ****ING BUY IT THEN!!




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Edit: by the time we've built it, it will have been obsolete for several years already.


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[NTECUK]

Disagree. Passing both sides works fine in the USA.
No one gets out of there box over it.

There's hardly any traffic cars bikes to inforce the lanes

Originally Posted by NTECUK

Disagree. Passing both sides works fine in the USA.
No one gets out of there box over it.

That's not the point I was making. I was saying, the people who are the cause of the need for this will not find out about the change in the law for the same reasons they don't know what they're doing is wrong. Also, people have appalling observational skills as it is, to make it necessary for them to increase their obs would not be a good idea.

Like I said previously, instead of changing the law to make what the idiots are doing legal. Educate the idiots or just punish them.


Passing both sides works in the US because they all know about it and expect it.


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So basically, don't accommodate idiocy, because that makes it acceptable.

Police officers should have the power to recommend (read, force) people to do a driving awareness course for anything they feel warrants it. E.g. borderline due care and attention, borderline dangerous, general stupidity, if the person's driving could be described as "a bit dodgy" or it's clear that they passed their test through sheer dumb luck.

I can see that this could promote abuse of police powers but that could also be fixed with a few good beatings and a stint in a woman's prison.


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