Gaza and Israel

Originally Posted by SvNewbie

I spent way too long reading and watching video's on the history behind it a few weeks ago.

Basically we (as in the British) promised Palestine to 3 different groups during World War II in return for fighting against the Nazi's. After the war a (not particularly fair) dishing out of the country happened.

As soon as the British pulled out of Palestine the state of Israel was formed, and was promptly attacked by 5 different armies on the same day. The Jews fought back and eventually won the Israel Arab war. Through no small part, due to the training the received from the British army.

You missed out that the partitioning never actually happened, the Israelis actually seized the country by force prior to the time the partition was to be implemented.

Originally Posted by Matt-EUC

War is stupid. Needlessly killing thousands of people to gain what is ultimately very little.

Actually prolonging the conflict prolongs a Jewish Israel.

Look at the birth rates. A one state solution with integrated Islamic/Jewish peoples in Israel would result in a large arab/muslim majority within a few generations.

A two state solution would upset the fanatic elements in Israel and never be accepted by Hamas so wouldn't stop the attacks only allow them to be more effective so thats probably out too.

Originally Posted by Luckypants

Tim, I had not made that connection but the parallels are shocking. How can one people who suffered such terrible persecution inflict the same persecution on another? I ****ing despair of this world.

A fair few of the people in charge of the Soviet "purges" were Jewish.

Apparently when you commit atrocities you merely give others ideas.

[dizzyblonde]

Theres also the little televised problem brewing in Libya


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0FY1E420140729




With many countries closing their embassies and telling their staff to get out of Libya.


The world is going mad!

[Balky001]

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

The world has gone mad!

Corrected for you DB

[Red ones]

It's also about Twitter and Facebook. For a long time people thought Twitter and FB were about pokes and photos of your lunch. It's really about getting stories told and fast.
In the past Israel controlled access and information on the events, but now news from the West Bank and Gaza comes out and instantly - before the alternative version is created. Suddenly we are finding out what is happening in real time. This time we are receiving news from the enclaves faster and with photos and video.

Many of us like pokes and enjoy photos of your lunch and have set up a system to receive these tittilations in our pocket and all of a sudden we are getting shocking images and running narrative on civilian injuries in a war zone. It is this John Prescott picked up and compared with 1933.

simple reason for Israel getting yank backup - they are one of the few friends we (the west) have in the area
Cyprus well we did get involved hence the no mans land (every been its totally trippy) and the constant military presence there mainly british forces
as for Israel and Palastine well that aint going to end anytime soon and certainly not with facebook posts

[Red Herring]

Just go on Google Earth and you'll get a fairly good idea of what the problem is. Israel stands out as being well organized with plenty of well irrigated laid out fields and infrastructure, the Palestinians on the other hand are the mass of disorganized buildings with the odd bit of barren dessert between them....

Basically Israel has benefited from a strong government, plenty of investment and an organized society, the Palestinians have bred like rabbits and have no means of supporting themselves. I do concede that the Israelis haven't made it easy for their neighbours though.

[carelesschucca]

Originally Posted by Red Herring

I do concede that the Israelis haven't made it easy for their neighbours though.

yeah, I'd say hemming your neighbours in, stopping basically all trade routes and bombing the hell out of them is making things a little difficult for the Gaza Strip.

[Red Herring]

My middle east history isn't brilliant but hasn't the Gaza strip existed pretty much from day one in the 40's? I didn't think it was a case of the Israelis driving them into the corner so to speak. The fact that the two respective governments haven't been able to work out some trade routes since is I am sure the fault of both of them, however just because the Israelis have got their act together better than just about every other country around them shouldn't be making them the bad guys here. Everybody else has been far to busy fighting amongst themselves.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by davepreston

Cyprus well we did get involved hence the no mans land (every been its totally trippy) and the constant military presence there mainly british forces

The British helped instigate it. Plenty of documentation to back that fact up. That 'green line ' was drawn by a British chap in the 1950s. So called because of the coloured pencil he happened to have in his hand.
40,000 Turkish troops illegally sit in the north. I've been through no man's land to cross Nicosia. It's not nice, especially when you have to travel like a tourist to your own blooming property.
Speaking of, the acres of ancestral land and buildings (if anything) will finally be documented later this year. I'll be taking photographic evidence of what is sadly left.
I've a map of every family property pre 74.


Occupations leave refugees that have to set up home elsewhere. A lot of Brits scream and shout about refugees coming here, of any sort. If Britain didn't help create them in the first place by sticking their noses in, they wouldn't be displaced. Families get strewn around the globe, and they feel they never belong. Snubbed through no fault of their own.
It's a subject I've taken great interest in, in recent years. It's certainly made me feel particularly strongly about Palestinians.