Disappearing posts?

Can't say our "region" doesn't generate some interesting threads eh!

Us scots have always prided ourselves on saying what we think! It's how we all get along so well regardless of where we are in the world - everyone knows where they stand! Can we have an emoticon with a kilt and bagpipes please??

Originally Posted by K

Likewise SV Ecosse has always been listed under the banner of 'Regional Forums' just like everyone else.
If you're objecting to this is because you would like to see a 'Glasgow Forum' or a 'Highland Forum' for example... then prove there is the need and it may appear (just like the East Anglian section).
If however your objection is down to some kind of 'national pride' then take it somewhere it really matters, rather than a bike forum.

As for the ownership of the 'SV Brand' - bad wording perhaps as it's always been an issue with the 'Org Brand' so to speak. Which does have a distinct history of ownership/guardianship that it pays to show some measure of respect towards.

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Hmm...national pride....it pays to show some measure of respect towards....

That'll be the same respect the particular mod showed to its members then!

sigh

Originally Posted by on yer bike

I think you're mixing up the two different issues, there was one with the nanny state this forum has become of recent times... then there was a little "moan" about us scots being classed as a region.

Onyerbike, as you can see above, I had the two ('respect' and 'national pride') as two separate issues - it was Stuartyboy's reply that put them together... therein lays my confusion.

wod things are getting heated. I being a jock myself fail to see having scotland as a region is a problem. when i originally joined the forum in 2004 there were not many of us jocks, there are bucket loads now. if that is all there is to moan about then we are doing ok. what about the weather always something to moan about

[fizzwheel]

Umh...

OK seems like some of you are feeling disgruntled still, which for everybody is not a good place to be. I respect the straight forward and open say what you mean approach.

OK I have some sympathy for those of you that feel that certain sections of the forum are over moderated. I dont agree about it being a nanny state though. I've been reading some of your threads, plenty of fun, some innuendo a bit of flirting and plenty of banter from the looks of it, exactly as it should be. Seems like this whole section is being looked after as it should be to me.

I dont want and will not critise another moderator, we're all a team and we all work together for the good of the site. Its a hard job job to do and like I've said its hard to find a balance sometimes. Whenever I've spoken to Cronos about mod stuff, he's always seemed to have a sensible view point on things. He seemed a thorougly decent sort of chap when I spoke to him at the AR last year.

The U rating is there for a simple reason to keep the site work safe. Yes it has the added advantage that its child safe to. But for me its important that the forum is accessable to those of us who have day jobs to A few naughty words is all it can take to trigger a web filter to ban access to a website. I dont want that to happen I'm sure you dont either, we all need a break from the druge of work now and again would you not say ?

I have an issue with explaning my actions, If I explained myself to every forum user who's posts I've modded / deleted etc I'd spend all my day PM'ing people, most people seem to be OK with a mod taking action, yet here we are with a few of you not happy. Its not my section of the forum so theres not a lot I can do. It would seem though theres some trouble in the ranks as it were, and from the looks of it, its the same 2 - 3 people that are being vocal in this. I'm wandering if theres more to the bad feeling than is being let on about ?

Its your section, so I'll throw it over to you, what would you have us as a team of mods do about it.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Umh...

OK seems like some of you are feeling disgruntled still, which for everybody is not a good place to be. I respect the straight forward and open say what you mean approach.

Personally not disgruntled, so don't worry about that. National pride matters full stop, so I have to admit to having a frown when I read that particular post, but, hey! The guy has had the balls to admit he phrased it badly (we've all done that) and apologise, so it's completely forgiven.

I think most folk would also realise that this forum covers the whole of the UK and so you have to categorise the localised groups somehow and call them something, be it regions, sections, clubs or regiments! Having the same number of folk in London alone, as we have in Scotland, you couldn't do it with countries 'cos the England section would be so big it wouldn't be localised, hence defeating the object.

So I really couldn't give a hoot how the joint is carved up or what we decide to call the slices. Never going to please everybody is it!

I'll try to explain one of the reasons why many Scots get sensitive about national pride -

We have a general problem up here with folk thinking we're "just wee region way up north". At work I'm having hell trying to get IBM to run a training course anywhere north of Newcastle. The guys in London who schedule the training just don't think there is a necessity, despite hundreds of folk hammering on the doors at IBM in Greenock crying out for training to sell and implement IBM products. They are so convinced that Scotland not is big enough to make it worthwhile, that they are not even prepared to consider it. If it's worthwhile running weekly courses for 6 million Londoners, why is it not worthwhile running at least quarterly courses for 6 million Scots?

A lot of folk down south just don't realise that it takes 7 -8 hours to drive from John O Groats to Carlisle. Scotland is a big, big, place - nearly as big as England (Get British Isles map out, the borders runs from Berwick upon Tweed to Carlisle, a lot of folk split the UK in their head at the next narrow point, between Edinburgh and Glasgow. Weather maps that folk see every day don't help either, they are not to scale). Whilst not as heavily populated, we have a significant population, London is significant is it not? Lots of Scots will have very similar stories to mine above that they could tell, where they face the same attitudes on a daily basis. Eventually it grinds you down and ordinary sound people get ****ed off.

I'll admit that some Scots can develop or grow up with counter productive attitudes that no self respecting Scot is proud of - England shirt wearers getting beaten up, etc, etc, but you get chip on the shoulder 'ers in every country. I'm talking about ordinary decent folk getting jacked off with it.

So when folk say things like "take the national pride where it matters", it's really getting shoved in your face, and you can understand the reaction. So K, you have apologised and it's absolutely forgiven mate, but sorry, i had to quote it again to make my point, now it's forgotten too. I'll buy you a pint if your coming to AR07.

[fizzwheel]

Umh again The national pride thing I understand. One of my best friends is a Scot, she comes from Kirkcudbright ( I hope I spelled that right ) I've been up in that area a few times. Its a beautiful place. Been to Edinburgh ( full of students and snobs ) and Glasgow ( much nicer IMHO ) Kept myself to myself and I have to say couldnt have asked for a friendlier reception. Except for one guy using "Pal" in my general direction with alot of tone on it. I think the Scots and the Welsh have much more pride in their country and heritage than us English do.

I particularly remember going to Edinburgh in 2004 when the world cup was on. It was a fine show of p*ss taking that when England were playing Brazil, alot of Scots were wandering around wearing Brazilian football shirts. I'm not sure if I was meant to but I found it hilarious. ( I'm not a footie fan )

If you guys want and can justify it, I can't see a problem with chopping your section up a little more, if thats what you guys want ?

But I think the issue with that particular comment is all resolved now ? Oh and K is a lady so she hasnt got balls but I'mm sure she'll take a drink off you are the AR

What I posted was more of a general. "A few of you seem unhappy about that way the sites being run, so what can we do about it" The forum is made or broken by the people that use it. You guys make it what it is. From what I'm reading its the U rating and how its being moderated thats caused this, or am I missing something ?

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

alot of Scots were wandering around wearing Brazilian football shirts

If you guys want and can justify it, I can't see a problem with chopping your section up a little more, if thats what you guys want ?

Ha ha, what football team to support? Well when Scotland get knocked out we have to support somebody! I'm not even going to try and comment on why in popular opinion it's any team but England, there's only one way that debate can go!

I think Sv Ecosse works just nicely and wouldn't want to change it. It's more being classified a "region" not a country that struck a sore nerve, rather than wanting regions within Scotland. But like I said, I don't care what we call the slices. What classification we have in sv650.org doesn't change who we really are now does it!

Sorry K, make those metaphorical balls!

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

If you guys want and can justify it, I can't see a problem with chopping your section up a little more, if thats what you guys want ?

I dont think its nessesary as we're just as small as the other places mentioned, i think it's because the word 'region', makes us feel like we're just a small part of england up at the top, forgotten about.. and this upsets us being made to feel small.

Freeeeeeeeeeeeedddoooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!! !!!!

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

...From what I'm reading its the U rating and how its being moderated thats caused this, or am I missing something ?

Fizz - not so much the U rating - more down to the mod's inconsistency.

The story is as simple as this...two threads started on the same day on SVEccosse. Both had fruity titles but not breaking the rules. One gets pulled (mine) the other doesn't. Mines was a post about a test ride I had on the new ducati the other a post about cleaning leathers.

I've never met the guy or even exchanged emails with him so there's no history.

A simple PM is all it would have took if something offended him and the thread could have been edited. Simple as that.


is gonna delete stuff then fair enough but treat everyone the same and at least tell us why so that we dont make the same mistake twice.