Media 'slander' or 'support' for drugies

Drug taking is not a victimless crime and involves organised crime on a large scale. Not nice people who can do not nice things.

Heavy Cannabis usage is certainly linked to mental illness. The old phrase...in moderation....I suppose.

Can't put druggies in jail because they can get drugs there too. Shocked I was when I learnt that first hand.

Originally Posted by The Basket

Drug taking is not a victimless crime and involves organised crime on a large scale. Not nice people who can do not nice things.

Heavy Cannabis usage is certainly linked to mental illness. The old phrase...in moderation....I suppose.

Can't put druggies in jail because they can get drugs there too. Shocked I was when I learnt that first hand.

and very easily too.

Most grass is grown locally nowadays. Lots of students do it
Maybe they should be encouraging us to do it to rid the organised crime

Originally Posted by The Basket

Drug taking is not a victimless crime and involves organised crime on a large scale. Not nice people who can do not nice things.

Although, the organised crime only exists because drugs are illegal. Legalise it and the illegal drug trade disapears.

The battle to stop the illegal drug trade is also one that the authorities can't win. The more drugs are stopped, the smaller the volume of drugs available for supply. Smaller supply means higher prices and the more profitable smuggling becomes. It becomes more appealing for criminals to try smuggling because of this, as drugs become more expensive then it's easier to transport because you need less of it to make a huge wadge of cash.

If legalised, drugs could be made safer and they would become alot cheaper too, meaning the need for addicts to commit crime to obtain funds for their habit would fall.

Whether the reasons above would offset any possible negative consiquences, or indeed have quite the positive effects listed above, who knows. It's certainly a complex problem though, but the 'ban it!' response is certainly not necessarily the best one.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

and very easily too.

Most grass is grown locally nowadays. Lots of students do it
Maybe they should be encouraging us to do it to rid the organised crime

You could argue the case for legalising certain drugs as well.

for example if the govenment banged out E at pharmicitical pure quality in a medium dose say 100mg per pill and at a price equal to the street pice say £1-2 would that not ensure it was consumed safely.

I know that if i was out for some pill action one wekend and i had the choice of Grade a good stuff or dealer cut cr8p claming to be pure i know what i would take.

As in most cases of people dying from E its pecause they drink too much water (Leah Betts) or the stuff they have is cut with Wafrine and other poisens etc.

People will take them regardless if they are legal so in some cases why not have it safly and more tightly controlled.

The same could be said for Canabis, in moderation its no worse than a pint and a fag.

Yes i agree some people will kick the ar*e out od it but people already do that with the other legal drug Alcohol. Which causes more problems than the current illigal use of recriational drugs.

It would also mean the government could tax them to earm income and might, help reduce some organised crime??

Just out of interest how many of us on here have at one time or another used these type of drugs?? Before i joined the army i took Speed, Pills, LSD and Canabis for recriational use.

[Biker Biggles]

Neio-----While I agree with what you just wrote,it seems dramatically at odds with some of your views on recent threads about other aspects of law and order in this country.Not trying to run with the fox and the hounds are you?

It effects everybody who pays taxes....

Why should my money go towards supporting repeat drug addicts when it can be used for much better things ?

Like I said, I have no real problem with people that fall into the "drug scene" and try to get themselves out of it. But those who are "cleaned up" and then do it again should be put in an environment where they can't get access to drugs.

Yes, that will come out of my taxes too, but they should be forced to stop. Maybe I have a very blinkered view, but I just do not understand why people take drugs (but then I don't understand why people smoke either).

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[Biker Biggles]

Ill drink to that.

Hang on

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Neio-----While I agree with what you just wrote,it seems dramatically at odds with some of your views on recent threads about other aspects of law and order in this country.Not trying to run with the fox and the hounds are you?

full of contradictions me.

Yes i am fuly aware that it goes agains some of the things i have said before.

But i have hada mis spent youth and i like many am no angel. LOL

Originally Posted by Jelster

It effects everybody who pays taxes....

Why should my money go towards supporting repeat drug addicts when it can be used for much better things ?

Like I said, I have no real problem with people that fall into the "drug scene" and try to get themselves out of it. But those who are "cleaned up" and then do it again should be put in an environment where they can't get access to drugs.

Yes, that will come out of my taxes too, but they should be forced to stop. Maybe I have a very blinkered view, but I just do not understand why people take drugs (but then I don't understand why people smoke either).

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I'm afraid it's not that simple. Hard drug addiction isn't just a problem on it's own, it's a symptom of more serious social problems. Of course, it's possible that recreational drug users might find themselves in a deep spiral that, if helped they could escape. But in the main, the hard drug users are poor, possibly homeless and very likely unemployed.

Their unpleasant existances is the reason for their drug use as it provides their only escape. To clean them up, get them off drugs then send them back onto the street wouldn't solve anything.

As is often the case, identifying problems is easy, identifying their root causes is difficult, and solving them often impossible.

Originally Posted by The Basket

Heavy Cannabis usage is certainly linked to mental illness. The old phrase...in moderation....I suppose.

well, just to point out somthing, you might actually be aware of this, im not trying to make anyone suck eggs.

It has been shown that heavy cannabis use increases your chance of certain mental illness by 40%!!
Now while this seems like alot, it isnt. You have a 0.1% chance of becoming schizophrenic if you have no family history of it from excessive use of cannabis.
So this meens that a 40% increace in your risk equates to you haveing a 0.14% of become schizophrenic. That 4 more people per 1000.
The old phrase.... there are lies, damn lies, and statistics....... I supose

Another example of the media making things to be worse than they are


I know this topic has gone off the media and onto drugs in general and I am of the view......
Legalise it all becasue:
1)removal of the illegal drug trade
2)less money for organised crime = less organised crime
3)police have X more free time because they dont have to deal with drugs = more police on the beat.
4)money generated by tax of the now legal drugs
5)the tax money can be used for education and rehabilition on a much larger and more effective scale than at pressent.
6)Amsterdam proves that it is possible
7)im sure there are more i cant think of ATM

It wont happen becasue:
1)people are scared of fundamental changes (we've always been taught that drugs are wrong, but alcihol is ok)
2)many people are controlled and manipulate by the illegal drug trade (think the USA in Afghainstan pre 9/11)
3)many jobs would possibly be lost, the DEA would not need to exisit anymore.
4)im sure there are more I cant think of ATM

I know alot has been not said in this post and merly implied and what has been said might not have been said well.