Scum 'o' the earth

it said, he throw a bucket of water over her, covered her in shaving foam & pi$$ed on her, as she was dying in a doorway................ what, was everybody else (including the camera person) doing as this was happening

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[timwilky]

He deserves everything that comes his way.

But, when you read the rest of the report

Originally Posted by BBC

A crowd had gathered around, watching and laughing, and the incident was filmed on a mobile phone.

WTF. Did nobody try to help this poor woman. If I were mr plod, I think I would have done the lot of them, they are just as much guilty of his crime

Altho' i completely disagree with what he did, it mentions in the report that he was part of our armed forces at some point - perhaps he isn't all that bad a person??

Perhaps this was a complete leave of senses whilst stoned and half cut on beer. No real excuse I guess but seems more like an act of bravado in front of mates that went horribly wrong. I mean, how was the guy supposed to know she had had pancreatic failure ?? If he had done this to a normal homeless guy, it would have been bad, but no where nearly as terrible. There was a thin chalk line here between 'harsh' and downright 'sick' - unfortunately it wasn't his choice as to when that line was crossed i think.

What i am trying to get at is if he knew the severity of the woman's plight, i doubt whether he would have done what he did - he just thought she was a ****ed-up homeless person stooped in a doorway (excuse the pun)

I didn't allude to "wanting him raped" ... I simply stated that it is my impression of the prison system that THAT is what MAY happen to him. Rightly or wrongly

Originally Posted by Welsh_Wizard

Perhaps this was a complete leave of senses whilst stoned and half cut on beer. No real excuse I guess but seems more like an act of bravado in front of mates that went horribly wrong. I mean, how was the guy supposed to know she had had pancreatic failure ??

That's hardly the point, is it?

Originally Posted by Welsh_Wizard

Altho' i completely disagree with what he did, it mentions in the report that he was part of our armed forces at some point - perhaps he isn't all that bad a person??

And maybe Hitler was just gassing jews for a bit of bravado from his SS buddies?!

Just because someone serves Queen/King and country and provides protection for us (and many other countries) doesn't give them the right to pi$$ on ANYONE, regardless of whether they knew them to be dying or not.

From your post it actually sounds like "pi$$ing on some homeless person" is "excusable" or "understandable" ... at the end of the day they are still a human being!

Felipe M :Maybe it is, maybe it isn't

My point is simple enough : I don't think he would have done something so callous had he known all the facts beforehand. I doubt whether anyone is that harsh.

I am trying to be a counterweight here to the people who think he is worse than Pol Pot himself. Bad mistake - yes, deserves to be punished - yes, guilty conscience for not helping someone in need - yes BUT far worse things happen around the world everyday in my opinion.

Pedro : Slight difference mate, slight difference..

Originally Posted by Welsh_Wizard

Felipe M :Maybe it is, maybe it isn't

The way I read your post it seemed like she was supposed to have a sign on her stating "I'm ill, I'm having a terminal pancreatic failure, please don't pi$$ on me even if you're stoned".

Hence my question...

I think 3 years prison for ****ing on someone is great. About time we had strong sentencing. That little scrote is of off our streets.

Originally Posted by Welsh_Wizard

Felipe M :Maybe it is, maybe it isn't

My point is simple enough : I don't think he would have done something so callous had he known all the facts beforehand. I doubt whether anyone is that harsh.

I am trying to be a counterweight here to the people who think he is worse than Pol Pot himself. Bad mistake - yes, deserves to be punished - yes, guilty conscience for not helping someone in need - yes BUT far worse things happen around the world everyday in my opinion.

Pedro : Slight difference mate, slight difference..

Ok Wiz m8 ... point taken

I just used the "hitler" analogy because he too served in (or rather commanded) the armed forces ... and it doesn't necessarily make him "not so bad a person"