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08-05-14, 09:31 PM | #31 | |
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Yes they both believe they are talking to the same god but see my post above for why it's potentially incompatible. I would argue that in context Muslims would come under the heading of "Gentiles" (based on the understanding of the time it was written) |
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08-05-14, 09:34 PM | #32 |
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as far as i'm aware it's not a sacrificial ritual. the prayer is said to sanctify/bless the meat. if it were a sacrificial ritual then Islam would technically be classed as a pagan religion.
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08-05-14, 09:37 PM | #33 | |
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I am however pretty sure it's a fine line if there is one. |
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08-05-14, 09:38 PM | #34 |
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Which may be applicable to practicing Christians at the time that people were still referred to as Gentiles.
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08-05-14, 09:46 PM | #35 | |
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It's certainly newer than "thou shalt not kill" and since then the religion now called Islam has only moved further away from Christianity and from a Christian perspective presumably further towards the worship of a false or different god. |
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08-05-14, 09:58 PM | #36 |
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I was meaning to refer back to the the original point of the prayer being said over the slaughter affecting a 'practicing christian' rather than arguing the context of what was meant when the books were written.
Unlike Islam, I don't know of a group in Britain that take such a literal meaning of text. Even modern documents giving the accepted interpretations of the bible such as 'Vatican II' are not taken literally with guidance given that things should be taken as the 'Spirit of Vatican II" rather than exactly what is contained in the words. Modern practice is therefore a watered down version of the passages you are quoting, which I'm sure are correct in a purely academic sense. So I still can't see why in a modern sense the prayer being said over the slaughter should offend a modern practicing christian, unless there was some other form of prejudice behind it. In any case, I seem to have made my point badly, so I'm out. |
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Essentially I can't definitively say its bad, and from what I've read neither can the bible but I certainly believe its significant enough to warrant labelling and the decision being in the hands of individuals whatever their beliefs. Last edited by Spank86; 08-05-14 at 10:03 PM. |
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08-05-14, 10:08 PM | #38 | |
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The whole religious debate was not of interest to me.
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08-05-14, 10:15 PM | #39 |
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How is killing the worst thing you can do?
If you could guarantee it wasn't painful you could kill me tomorrow and I wouldn't give a damn (I'd be too dead to care). Pain is the worst thing you can do. Of course killing actually people gives pain to their friends and family, I'm not sure mommy cow cares though. |
08-05-14, 10:15 PM | #40 |
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I totally agree with Bib's comment of kill it, cook it, eat it, this is why when I have had perfectly good pigeon in my sights I have not shot them because I cannot cook them. I would however still reiterate comments that I have made on other threads, go to your local butcher not a supermarket, they can give you real details about what you are eating. Not a vegetarian, just a lazy eater who cannot be bothered to eat meat, I do eat fish it takes less chewing, yes that lazy, and I could never be a vegetarian, I love leather shoes and handbags.
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