I feel so sorry for Shannon Matthews

[tonyk]

can any one blame the parents ?
WHY work ? ...........there is millions who do 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week,
AND pay's tax....
stay at home and get money for err...having kids.
hold on.. who is the donkey ...................
but after all that i would still work, any work....
Foreigners coming here and taking our jobs……you know the ones that we cant do / wont do…. Why should we, they pay tax and I can just about make it to the post office to collect my dole...
there is something very wrong here...
I feel sorry for shannon ....

It's their up bringing! B*LL*CKS!!!!

People should always strive to change their lives if they don't like them - they just can't be bothered.

My parents came from a poor working class background and did their best to give me the things they never had and worked hard all of their lives to ensure I didn't have as tougher time as they did.

Now I do a full-time job and a part-time job to try and make sure my kids too have the things I didn't and don't have to live in certain areas. I choose to do this and if I was ever out of work would do anything (...and I MEAN anything) to put food on the table and pay the mortgage.

On the other hand my sister is a lay about who doesn't work, smokes, drinks has two kids.

She has a house which is bigger than mine and her kids are always in designer gear - HOW?

and how can it be fair? so I ask you what incentive is their for me to work, other than the fact that every month I pay my mortgage on MY house.

The Shannon case is not about their circumstances and I don't know the full facts, none of us do, but every person should know right from wrong.

I protect my kids from as much harm as possible and would not put them in a situation which could knowingly be to their detriment. I chose to have them and they are my world. Anyone or anything that tried to hurt them would be dealt with severely (whether you think that an eye for an eye is wrong or not) that is my way!

How can anyone have indecent images of kids and be a parent?

How could you go on holiday, go out for a meal and leave your kids asleep in the apartment? (sorry McCanns, I just wouldn't do that)

These people are not responsible enough to have kids and should not be allowed to have them. I hate reading stuff like this as it makes my blood boil.

Kev, did you pick up on this on the BBC news website. It'll make your day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/7341160.stm

Ed - if I wasn't just about to go for my last little run before sunday's jog I'd write a full-out rant, but I''l leave it for the others.

Originally Posted by krhall

It's their up bringing! B*LL*CKS!!!!

People should always strive to change their lives if they don't like them - they just can't be bothered.

My parents came from a poor working class background and did their best to give me the things they never had and worked hard all of their lives to ensure I didn't have as tougher time as they did.

Now I do a full-time job and a part-time job to try and make sure my kids too have the things I didn't and don't have to live in certain areas. I choose to do this and if I was ever out of work would do anything (...and I MEAN anything) to put food on the table and pay the mortgage.

On the other hand my sister is a lay about who doesn't work, smokes, drinks has two kids.

She has a house which is bigger than mine and her kids are always in designer gear - HOW?

and how can it be fair? so I ask you what incentive is their for me to work, other than the fact that every month I pay my mortgage on MY house.

The Shannon case is not about their circumstances and I don't know the full facts, none of us do, but every person should know right from wrong.

I protect my kids from as much harm as possible and would not put them in a situation which could knowingly be to their detriment. I chose to have them and they are my world. Anyone or anything that tried to hurt them would be dealt with severely (whether you think that an eye for an eye is wrong or not) that is my way!

How can anyone have indecent images of kids and be a parent?

How could you go on holiday, go out for a meal and leave your kids asleep in the apartment? (sorry McCanns, I just wouldn't do that)

These people are not responsible enough to have kids and should not be allowed to have them. I hate reading stuff like this as it makes my blood boil.

+1

Originally Posted by CoolGirl

OK, this story is what it is, and the social network around the family may leave something to be desired.

But can we please stop with some of the unsavoury comments that are being made about 'these people'. If you had a background like that what chance would you stand of breaking out of it if that's the general (employing, tax-paying, public-service providing) public's attitude towards you? What would you do if one of 'them' came to you for a job because they were desperate to break out of the porverty trap?

there but for the grace of god (or whoever floats your boat) go all of us

Sorry Coolgirl, kudos for trying, but as you can see from the subsequent two pages, the Daily Express sponsored lynch mob is now in full effect. Don't get disheartened, it's not a representative opinion, just a particularly noisy pitch-fork wielding one

I've been through this so many times and I've lost the patience to do so again. If anyone wants to continue the argument just go through most of my previous posts, copy & paste; might as well copy & paste the responses too as I imagine I've not changed anyone's opinion

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

Sorry Coolgirl, kudos for trying, but as you can see from the subsequent two pages, the Daily Express sponsored lynch mob is now in full effect. Don't get disheartened, it's not a representative opinion, just a particularly noisy pitch-fork wielding one

I've been through this so many times and I've lost the patience to do so again. If anyone wants to continue the argument just go through most of my previous posts, copy & paste; might as well copy & paste the responses too as I imagine I've not changed anyone's opinion

MiniMatt - where's your spirit??? I remember our last tear-up, it was most enjoyable. Now where's me pitch fork and burning torch???

Originally Posted by krhall

MiniMatt - where's your spirit??? I remember our last tear-up, it was most enjoyable. Now where's me pitch fork and burning torch???

Oh go on then, seeing as it's you

I'll start with your good self as I know you're 'ard enough to take it

On the other hand my sister is a lay about who doesn't work, smokes, drinks has two kids.

She has a house which is bigger than mine and her kids are always in designer gear - HOW?

and how can it be fair? so I ask you what incentive is their for me to work, other than the fact that every month I pay my mortgage on MY house.

Firstly, I hope for your sake your sister doesn't read this Or at least I hope you can run faster than her

Ok, fairness, on the face of it you're looking at the size of her house and the clothes her kids wear and thinking it's not fair. Lets assume that whatever her flaws your sister, like you, wants the very best for her kids, she wants her kids to grow up succesful and happy. Now...

• Whose kids stand more chance of growing up succesful & happy, productive members of society?
• Whose kids are going to get better grades at school?
• Whose kids stand more chance of avoiding the temptations of drink, drugs & crime?
• Whose kids are likely to grow up with a diverse cultural experience and develop a wide range of hobbies and interests, form strong friendships, and lead rewarding fulfilling lives?

I'm willing to bet you'll concede that your own kids stand a far better chance of acheiving these things than your sister's. You still think it's unfair? You're willing to trade all that in for a bigger house and a designer pair of trainers?

People always seem to focus on material needs being provided for and think that this makes the system unfair. It's the opportunities, the chances in life, the fulfillness of life that makes the system unfair.

[yorkie_chris]

So why pay for these leeches to live?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

So why pay for these leeches to live?

So your solution? Let them starve? Let their kids starve? Sorry, but I don't want to live in that country. You can if you like. It's called Zimbabwe. Or Rwanda. Or Sierra Leone. I'm sure you can get a flight today.