Arranged marriages - Master race

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Harrassment, intimidation? neither one particularly legal, and have seen a few cases of this.

I did say within the laws of the land. You are right though, but would be very difficult to prove if its borderline. When does well meaning sentiment become the above ?

[northwind]

I saw the comic Paul Sinha a while back, he has a fantastic sketch based on coming out to his very traditional Bengali father- his dad immediately accepts it, to his total shock... then to his horror starts working on an arranged gay marriage

Talk of a "master race" seems a bit daft though, it's not a eugenics/breeding program. What it is, is is a formalised version of what other communities/groups do for themselves. Oh no, you say, that's so unfair! Arranged marriages put ugly people, poor people, handicapped people down the pecking order. This makes them different to non-arranged marriages how? People get ostracised from their families for making an unpopular match... Again, never ever happens in non-arranged marriages does it? Pretty girls never marry rich ugly men. Obviously it inherently preserves caste and culture but that's not the sole goal.

The idea of the formally arranged marriage is a pretty repellant one to me, but as Wayluya says it's not inherently oppressive. That's purely down to execution. Obviously it can run to the extreme, but then you just don't usually hear of the cases where a man or woman refuses an arranged marriage and then carry on with their lives, or when a man and a woman marry after an arranged introduction and live happily ever after... and why would you? It's too commonplace to be interesting.

It's also odd that we think of it as an asian thing. Most famous arranged marriage in the UK? Charles and Diana.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

In this country it is usually only invoked when a White person is "supressing" a non-White.

Nah, that's not true... I've seen a lot of asian vs black racism, frinstance, and up here the chinese and indian-origin communities seem to hate each other. Pretty nasty stuff sometimes. That's just my own personal experience, I'm sure there's all sorts. (Racism's weird in Edinburgh, we're by and large a very pasty white city, by default there's a reduction in racism as there's not many people to be racist at. I've no idea what would happen if you added 100000 middle eastern people. Better food probably)

People say "Oh, nobody bothers with black people being racist against whites", actually that's s***, demonstrably so- there's been succesful racial hatred prosecutions frinstance, and many employment cases. Just that "white v other" is the biggest single block, and it all gets lumped together (we don't consider WASP vs Chinese racism as a seperate issue to WASP vs Indian racism but we consider chinese vs indian racism to be), and that's also where the power differences mainly are- racism between 2 people on the street is one thing, but the fact is that WASM is still the senior power block in the UK, by default we tend to be in the positions of power and that's where racism really becomes a problem- limiting development and employment, suppressing culture and talent... Media representation... Political representation. Legal representation. Etc. Basically these things all exagerrate the effect that white vs other racism has. Black vs white racism just naturally has a much smaller impact than white vs black, just as male vs female sexism has a bigger impact than female vs male. And that's the reason anti-racist legal and public effort focusses on white vs other, it's the big problem and the obvious place to start. And the reason WASMs don't get the same level of specific attention and protection is that we don't need it as much. Also reportage is probably skewed. Simple really. Or so it seems to me.

Originally Posted by northwind

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People say "Oh, nobody bothers with black people being racist against whites", actually that's s***, demonstrably so- there's been succesful racial hatred prosecutions frinstance, and many employment cases.

This reminds me of that film 'White men can't jump' about how white guys can't play basketball. Taking these stereotypes...Imagine the sequel 'Black men can't abide by the law'

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by northwind

It's also odd that we think of it as an asian thing. Most famous arranged marriage in the UK? Charles and Diana.

Yeah it is worth pointing out that a few hundred years ago marriage was a common way to seal treaties with other nations.

Originally Posted by Lozzo

I live 15 miles east of MK and I haven't a scooby wtf you're on about.

"East of Milton Keynes" was not meant that close ........was a reference to wayyyyyy East and this being a very different place from "home" (Milton Keynes or wherever).

I was almost shunned at work when I lived in Norwich once, because I was foolish enough to mention the fact that I'm 3/4 Maltese.

Bet that made you cross .......and if you had a pound note for every time you heard that joke............

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

This reminds me of that film 'White men can't jump' about how white guys can't play basketball. Taking these stereotypes...Imagine the sequel 'Black men can't abide by the law'

Yer Mother's an Astronaut

Originally Posted by Steve_God

+1!
Not going to even comment... I'd only end up offending people with my 'non-religious views' which I'd rather not do

Amen +1

Originally Posted by Wayluya

Bet that made you cross .......and if you had a pound note for every time you heard that joke............

I'd have a drawer full of useless bits of paper with a picture of my old boss on them...we've got them there poncey £1 coins now

Hey I actually paid a Fiver for a pound note , My mum always promised me a pound note a week pocket money when I was a nipper , I never got it cos they changed to coins ........... damn well bought myself one

Anyhoo , give it 200 hundred years and we`ll all be exactly the same ..... and it will boil down to something else to argue about , Humans , as a race , can`t get on for long .

[northwind]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

This reminds me of that film 'White men can't jump' about how white guys can't play basketball. Taking these stereotypes...Imagine the sequel 'Black men can't abide by the law'

Aye, but then Woody could jump, that was kind of the point "He's talkin' about yo mama!" "Nah, my mom couldn't have done any of those things, she was too drunk..."