Ban electronic aid's?

Originally Posted by lukemillar

This could be an interesting debate, but you just using it to have a go at Ducati and Casey Stoner. Pretty pathetic argument really

Man get it out of your mind that im having a go at Stoner. It just happens to be him its happening with. If it was rossi id still be a bit un-impressed.

Basically what I want it 2002-2003 style action which was exciting. The biggest difference between now and then was... Woo electronics.

going to miss 250s

Originally Posted by Sosha

going to miss 250s

What happened to the reat of that post?

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

Basically what I want it 2002-2003 style action which was exciting. The biggest difference between now and then was... Woo electronics.

What with Rossi domiant on the only factory bike specifically designed for the new 4 stroke regulations with an inferior team mate who only won if Rossi punted it off into the gravel trap...

Rossi 2002 stats - 11 Wins, 7 poles, 15 podiums
Rossi 2003 stats - 9 wins, 9 poles, 16 podiums

Compared with

Stoner 2007 stats - 10 wins, 5 poles, 14 podiums

So I dont see how 2002 - 2003 was anymore exicting than 2007 was for example, in fact you could argue depending on your viewpoint that both were equally as dull, because 1 rider dominated. Just different ones...

*stats taken from wikipedia article(s)

I just think that no eletronics makes for a better spectacle, power sliding, wheel spins, smoking tyres, backing it in etc etc...

How's about this for another point to argue: launch control.

Come on, what's the point in that? There's only ever going to be small guys getting a good start when setting off is no longer dependant upon rider ability, hence Pedrosa always getting the best start.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

What with Rossi domiant on the only factory bike specifically designed for the new 4 stroke regulations with an inferior team mate who only won if Rossi punted it off into the gravel trap...

Rossi 2002 stats - 11 Wins, 7 poles, 15 podiums
Rossi 2003 stats - 9 wins, 9 poles, 16 podiums

Compared with

Stoner 2007 stats - 10 wins, 5 poles, 14 podiums

So I dont see how 2002 - 2003 was anymore exicting than 2007 was for example, in fact you could argue depending on your viewpoint that both were equally as dull, because 1 rider dominated. Just different ones...

*stats taken from wikipedia article(s)

I just think that no eletronics makes for a better spectacle, power sliding, wheel spins, smoking tyres, backing it in etc etc...

That is true BUT Rossi didnt often run off from the first corner to last leading. There were often big fights between many riders, if not at the front then all over the place. There just isnt that now... Its pretty much follow the leader... if you know what I mean

Also like you say there was a lot of backing it in a tyre smoking. I can remeber one cant remember who (might have been Rossi) or what track but it just power slid the entire corner probably had a lean angle of only a few degrees. AMAZING!

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

As for development without electronics thats complete rubbish.

No it isn't. Bike development has to move along incrementally so one part is not stronger than another. If the electronics get better, the rider will demand more corner speed. To get more corner speed, they will need better tyres, etc, etc. Hence development.

I posit that if elecronic aids were taken away, the manufacturers could hold their hands up and say 'right that's it then, this is the fastest we can make this bike'. Development would cease to a degree.

I do agree with you that it is fun / cool to see power slides etc but I enjoy MotoGP for what it is. When I see the riders bumping shoulders in the corners or with the back wheel 6 inches in the air whilst braking hard it makes the hairs on my neck stand up. It's fuggin impressive. That's the bit I like. And that isn't to do with the electronics.

On another note, a couple of years back I remember that riders were trying to do wheelies but couldn't very well because of the 'anti-wheelie' electronics. Now, either that's been taken away from the Ducati or Stoner's even better than I thought cos he's pulled some amazing wheelies this season! The one across the line at Sachsenring where the back wheel was shimmying all over the place was incredible. And he never batted an eyelid. Regardless of how much Ducati spend on electronics / TC, whatever, that boy can ride a bike as well as any rider I've seen. As well as King Valentino even.

I'd love to see the whole current grid line up for one race on standard KTM superduke's or something to see once and for all who's the best rider, but that's never gonna happen!

Originally Posted by ThEGr33k

What happened to the reat of that post?

I bored myself and zapped it

Originally Posted by Sosha

I bored myself and zapped it

A shame I agree completly with it.

Catwrim. How long you watched MotoGP? If you liked those wheelies you should have a look at some other bits and bobs. When I get back home ill link some youtube madness from back in the day

Should they ban it ? Dunno, but it makes for much better entertainment without it. And no not because of crashing. Seeing a bike moving around is awesome and much much more interesting than seeing them go into and out of corners in a perfect line.