company being unreasonable, us and them

+1 fo the coffin

No seriously if they want you to work 50 hours tell them you want it in writing and then go with it to a lawyer if they give it too you because EU working time directive states no more working than 16 hours out of 24 which allows for an 8 hour break afterwards. No more than 6 days in 7 or 12 days out of 14 and over a 17 week period your hours must not average higher than 48 hours.

Parking wise, funk them. What are they gonna do? Phone up a towing company to come tow the bike away?.

And this is living proof that office workers are ruining the trade circuit. Try reading through my companies electrical procedures which state "You must not work on any live circuitry" and later on state "No live working allowed unless testing". Or working in a department where apprentices equal or outnumber the craftsmen 80% of the time.

[G]

A joiner.............to be honest IMO you should be happy to be in work at the moment. I know many who are not.

Originally Posted by G

A joiner.............to be honest IMO you should be happy to be in work at the moment. I know many who are not.

This is true - but the economic circumstances are no reason to treat people like $hit. Me removing the bins is very reasonable compared to this bunch. I think you're being exploited Gavin. No matter how irritated you are you need to be measured in your approach and not let your irritation and temper get the better of you. I suggest asking your union rep for help.

The office staff think they're one above the office staff. It's a power thing and they love it. When the work gets done, and the invoices are paid, then the system works.

How to really screw them up:
1. Park in the car park (It's dog eat dog at my work - the bike gets parked inside!!) Then ask where in your contract it says no parking in the car park....

2. All The warehouse staff go on strike for a couple of days, getting no work done. The customers get angry about late deliveries, upsetting the office staff. Then the union rep tells the office staff to do the carpentry work and see how they get on... guaranteed you'll get results...

They **** on your carpet, you do the same to them. Eventually you get equal rights and dual respect.. everyone is happy.

[Wideboy]

so where/how do i start with waving the legal flag so to speak??

out of the 5 there is me and the other apprentice (who is 17) we are the only to that speak our minds, the 2 others are pushing retirement and have admitted to me that they just want to keep there heads down and serve out the rest of their time, the other guy has his head screwed on but has a young family and doesn't want to rock the boat

Make a move mate, Im sure your good at your job an by the sound of it you can definetly find a better employer.

[dizzyblonde]

as Ed says...Union. Although our Union is always sitting in the managements back pocket

ed is right, you need to be careful. You cant afford to be seen as a trouble maker and lose your job over it. Raise the issues professionally

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Wideboy

we are the only to that speak our minds,

Then you two are at risk from being shat on from a great height. Is it a small company, because it sounds like it is.

My advice, keep your mouth shut, finish your two months to run on your apprenticeship and leave.

I've been in a similar position to you, I spoke up about one particular manager who had been bullying me and the 10 people I worked with to the point that working at the company was no longer tolerable. The MD swept the whole issue under the carpet, b*ll*cked me for being a "trouble maker" and then told the manager who we'd complained about what we'd said and she made our lives hell...

Fight the battles you can win, if you can't win dont start the fight.

[Wideboy]

suppose i'll have to then