Corporal Punishemt

[ethariel]

'Mmmmmm i'm 14 to 15 years old and guilty of breaking into 100+ cars just for the hell of it. I take pleasure in relieving myself in the car, 'marking it up' and stealing the usless stereo front, the GPS Holder and the 34p in coppers in the ashtray....man it's great to be a kid, knowing that in a few years i have to start running drugs or such like to make real money, just like my brother.

All the police ever do is wag a finger at me or send me to another home, then i say a carer touched me and im back out to 'do another car' it's great!'


Take the little sod to the town square on Sunday and birch him till he bleeds and cries for his mummy, do it a 2nd time and a 3rd time, he will either finaly realise it's just not the done thing or end up old before his time in a real prison cell rotting away for life on a 3rd strike is life without parole rule.

Bring back Victorian values, make Prison 'Punishment' again, 6x8 cell with 2 or 3 bunks, slopping out, 23 hour lockup.

Down with the nanny state, lets have a set of 'Victim's Rights' for a change, allow 'Victims' to look thier persecuter in the eye before they are flogged in public.

Little harsh you think? - Well i don't think it's harsh at all

I don't know.

But...I'm going to play devils advocate

I don't know much about middle eastern culture, but am I right in thinking that societies exist where you loose a finger if caught stealing? In these societies am I right in thinking that the deterrent works and there is very little stealing goes on?

The threat of castration if caught for rape would surely focus the minds of the potential perpetrators into controlling their sexual urges.

For me though, any form of corporal punishment would need to be applicable only to the most heinous of crimes and would need to be proved without any doubt, as opposed to just proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt, so I'm talking DNA evidence, etc.

I don't think birching would achieve much, by the same psychology that we rationalise riding motorbikes and danger, a criminal can rationalise committing a crime and taking a punishment...

1. We ride bikes, 2. we know we may crash, 3. we do everything to avoid it 4. we crash, 5. it hurts, but so long as we don't kill ourselves or do any permanent damage, we know that we will heal, 6. eventually we heal and we ride again

1. The criminal commits a crime, 2. he knows he may get caught, 3. he does everything he can to cover his tracks, 4. he gets caught, 5. he gets birched and it hurts, but it doesn't do any permanent damage and he knows that he will heal, 6. eventually it heals and he reoffends

To make any difference corporal punishment has to take a form whereby the criminal cannot rationalise the punishment, before he commits the crime, ie: the punishment has to be so unthinkable to him (ie: loosing his balls), that he puts any thoughts or intention of committing the crime out of his mind.

Like I said, I don't know if corporal punishment is the right way to go, but I'm playing devils advocate and throwing the cat amongst the pigeons a bit.

I do agree with smacking for kids, but if smacking is used effectively, then it is never needed. When a kid knows for sure that a smack will be administered if he crosses a consistent boundary, for instance after the third time he's been warned about something, then he won't cross that boundary and so the smack is never needed. If you smack kids regularly, and with no consistency as to when and why they get a smack, they actually get used to being smacked and so the punishment ceases to have an effect, and for a child to reach this hardened emotional state IMO is tantamount to abuse.

State whippings and beatings? Didn't anyone look at the videos of the G20 protests? FFS we have it already

On the wider issue...

Never.

If I were a juror in a trial of someone accused of a crime where the punishment might be a beating, no matter how strong the evidence I would refuse to convict. Just as in any case where hanging was possible, there too I would refuse to convict.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by ethariel

'Mmmmmm i'm 14 to 15 years old and guilty of breaking into 100+ cars just for the hell of it. I take pleasure in relieving myself in the car, 'marking it up' and stealing the usless stereo front, the GPS Holder and the 34p in coppers in the ashtray....man it's great to be a kid, knowing that in a few years i have to start running drugs or such like to make real money, just like my brother.

All the police ever do is wag a finger at me or send me to another home, then i say a carer touched me and im back out to 'do another car' it's great!'


Take the little sod to the town square on Sunday and birch him till he bleeds and cries for his mummy, do it a 2nd time and a 3rd time, he will either finaly realise it's just not the done thing or end up old before his time in a real prison cell rotting away for life on a 3rd strike is life without parole rule.

Bring back Victorian values, make Prison 'Punishment' again, 6x8 cell with 2 or 3 bunks, slopping out, 23 hour lockup.

Down with the nanny state, lets have a set of 'Victim's Rights' for a change, allow 'Victims' to look thier persecuter in the eye before they are flogged in public.

Little harsh you think? - Well i don't think it's harsh at all

Nope, i dont think its harsh at all. Victims of crime get overlooked in favour of "clan up" rates and stats that make the police and other bodies look good. I'd go one step further than you too on this mate, the food they get is just about enough to sustain them for the day. If they behave well and do work rondthe prison they earn a little more food.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

I don't know.

But...I'm going to play devils advocate

I don't know much about middle eastern culture, but am I right in thinking that societies exist where you loose a finger if caught stealing? In these societies am I right in thinking that the deterrent works and there is very little stealing goes on?

The threat of castration if caught for rape would surely focus the minds of the potential perpetrators into controlling their sexual urges.

Yes in a few countries its still common practice, as i beheading publically. But bear in mind that this system is open to huge abuse and you could claim your neighbour stole from you and the chances are he would get the same treatment if he didnt pay the police/state a "fee" (read bribe) to leave him alone.

Re castration....No, i dont think it would sadly. We discussed this when i did A level law. I played devils advocate and said all sex offenders should have a prominent tattoo on their forhead or back of their hand so everyone knows who they are and what they've done.
The flaw with this idea is that there would be a lot more adused and murdered people than just abused people. When they know the punishment is severe and life changing some people wont stop offending but will decide not to leave anyone as a witness to their crime.

For me the only time i would agree to a severe physical punishment rather than a tough jail sentance is if the person was caught in the act or fleeing from the scene and there was no shadow of a doubt they were quilty. Ie the rapist who runs cos his victim screams and local people tackle him to the ground and hold him till the cops come. No doubt cos he had scratches on his face where he was fought off and his DNA was under the victims nails. Done. Short court case followed by an immeadiate punishment suitable for the crime

yes corporal punishment should be introduced, but the justice system needs to improve first

[timwilky]

We know how to punish our criminals here in Chorley

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by timwilky

We know how to punish our criminals here in Chorley

Yes, your magistrates really know how to dish out the punishment

A sppeding motorcyclist would be a different case altogether. Shot at dawn without any last wishes

This justice system really has got it wrong these day

Bring it back to the public domain!
the justice system needs sorted before anything else

other wise - bring back stocks and rotten veg (might help with the food mountains as well) with a huge placard stating the crime
go for public humilation. I'm a believe in shaming them - will need to be policed/stewarded but if you were 15/16 chained to other wrong doers wearing a bright pink boiler suit thats states I am a drink driver picking litter at the side of the road subject to bribes and snears would you do it again. Either that of put them behind the cones as roadwork and let them have all the abuse and lissle hurled at them instead of the workers

Examples of public humiliation are harder to find, but there are some American judges out there who have blazed a trail. Judge Mike Cicconetti, of Painesville, Ohio, is something of a market leader on this. He once sentenced three men convicted of soliciting sex to wear bright yellow chicken costumes carrying a sign saying "No Chicken Ranch in Painesville", a reference to a famous Nevada brothel. He also ordered a man and woman convicted of vandalising a statue of the baby Jesus to walk around town with a donkey. Other local wrongdoers have been made to share a sty with pigs.

OR this

[Biker Biggles]

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

That'll be "don't" then?

Right.Ill (Sorry I'll) do the pompous stuff if you deal with the pedant bit.

Just to keep on topic,are we flogging a dead horse here?

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Right.Ill (Sorry I'll) do the pompous stuff if you deal with the pedant bit.

Just to keep on topic,are we flogging a dead horse here?

Only if your a Kinky Necrophile into Bestiality

Now, what would the punishment for that be?