do white socks help when filtering?

[yorkie_chris]

More fussed about 7.62 being too heavy and uncontrollable in fully automatic. Have you ever fired an M14?

[keith_d]

I've never fired a 7.62, but I heard a couple of stories about the FN being a bit too effective in Belfast.

One family were reportedly in a flat several hundred yards from a foot patrol that came under fire. A couple of 7.62 rounds entered through one kitchen wall and exited through the other.

In other cases snipers hiding behind walls were shot - through the wall. Even if the rounds didn't penetrate they spalled off enough brick to force the scrote out of cover.

[skeetly]

Originally Posted by Nick_69

Nato went with america when they choose to use the 5.56 on the M16 in the late sixties and russia especialy at the time when bullet development was at its peak would never have anything the same as america.
Also nato new that the 7.62 round was causing alot of un needed damage to the surrounding area.

Im pretty sure them SLR's had 7.62 all the way into the 80's..

I have fired 2 different ak copies in Texas, one was bought legally for $200 dollars from a gun show.
Dead easy to use except the legal versions over there cant run on full auto due to their laws on automatic weapons, but many adapt them back to auto i believe.
For a gun which looks like crap, it very accurate.
Even my mrs had a go
We shot the crap out of an old turntable deck, twas a good day.
Filmed some with my sony 8mm camera, must dig that out, aint watched that for years.
On a different note, on my honeymoon in florida in 99' i took the mrs to a firing range and we hired a 9mm berretta and 100 rounds, there's romance for you.
Anyway enough rambling, sorry for assisting in derail.

[Spiderman]

The nuttiest weapon i ever had the pleasure to be let loose on was a Franch Spas 12. The worlds only semi auto shotgun, keep pulling thr trigger as fats as you dare and hang on for dear life until all 12 rounds are done. Reload and enjoy till you run out of rounds.

Originally Posted by Nick_69

Correct.

What many people don't know is that Israel changed the AK 47 by bring the first sight back to the butt of the gun and changing the stock, which increased the accuracy of it ten fold, they called it the Galil. They also made a 5.56m instead of the 7.62m

The Finnish Valmet was more the basis for the Galil.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I think a weapon chambered for 5.56m might be a bit of a handful

Useless trivia; the isreali galil series is chambered for the .223 win mag cartridge (5.56 NATO), whereas the Russians use 5.45mm.

Galil comes in .223 Remington (5.56mmx45mm) The Russian 5.45mm is for the AK 74.

Originally Posted by Nick_69

Nato went with america when they choose to use the 5.56 on the M16 in the late sixties and russia especialy at the time when bullet development was at its peak would never have anything the same as america.
Also nato new that the 7.62 round was causing alot of un needed damage to the surrounding area.

Us Brits wanted a smaller round in the fifties, .280 British. Read this EM2
I don't think bullet development peaked then, probably more at the point when H&K announced their caseless 4.7mm.

Originally Posted by skeetly

Im pretty sure them SLR's had 7.62 all the way into the 80's..

Up until 1987 AFAIK.

Following the Americans has always been a mistake, in cartridge adoption and foreign policy.

Originally Posted by Spiderman

The nuttiest weapon i ever had the pleasure to be let loose on was a Franch Spas 12. The worlds only semi auto shotgun, keep pulling thr trigger as fats as you dare and hang on for dear life until all 12 rounds are done. Reload and enjoy till you run out of rounds.

Hardly the world's only semi auto. The SPAS 12 was kinda of unique being that it could either be semi auto or pump action, but it was heavy and complicated. If it was 12 rounds it would have had a long barrel length to accomodate the tubular magazine under the barrel.

Since then, Benelli have a M3 super 90 which is also pump or semi auto, lighter and Benelli have a better semi auto system than Franchi, who made the SPAS 12.

I prefer the semi auto only M2 Benelli.

[Nick_69]

Originally Posted by skeetly

Im pretty sure them SLR's had 7.62 all the way into the 80's..

That is why we then ditched the SLR for the SA80 which was made with the same magzine housing and firing as the american M16, so if you ever round out of ammo you could ask a american coz he will have loads left lol

OMG............Anorak alert........Anorak alert!!!!

The STANAG magazine adoption is NATO wide, it's just the Americans always get their way. They did, for once, have a point M16 style mags are easier to get locked in under stress compared to european rock and click style magazines, like the L1A1(FN), G3, AK style rifles.