So then, this Griffin muppet...

Funny thing is Griffin doesn't even live in his 'own' country he is in effect an economic migrant

Dress a thug in a suit he's still a thug at heart

[Jayneflakes]

I have a quote from Henry Rollins who spoke at length about the rights of the Nazi Far Right to speak. He said

Know your enemy, know what they say so you can counter argue the Sh*t they spout

I think he has a point, fighting for the voice to be removed from a Politically dangerous group like the BNP is shooting yourself in the foot and as such I do not belong to any anti fascist group. I do belong to a couple of politically active groups though that campaign for human rights, Gay Pride and Amnesty International. None of these groups would consider gagging a political party, because you have to allow freedom of speech to all people, even if you disagree with their policies, or you are showing a dangerous hypocrisy.

There is another aspect to this debate though. The BNP are not the only Political party who advocate hatred against minorities. There are several parties out there who want to ban or repeal laws that protect the rights of sexual and gender minorities in this country. I watched the debate on the Gender Recognition Act in 2003 (I think it was) and saw religious leaders such as Ian Paisley pouring forth with the anti gay and anti trans hate. At the last local election there was a party here that are anti Gay marriage and want to repeal the Civil partnership right we all have.

So keep watching folks and be observant of what is happening out there, the BNP is not the only fascist group campaigning for your vote, they are the most obvious.

I won't be watching question time....because it's boring....but I will agree that the BNP are toning down their clearly racist policies as they see Joe Public becoming increasingly disillusioned with the current Govt and the other 3 main parties.

If the other parties, Tory,Labour, Lib Dem, don't do something to change the views or, in particular, working (although probably not working and on the dole) males, then we may find ourselves in a situation where the BNP manage to get more and more seats within the Govt.

EDIT: Before someone shoots me down in flames...I was not stereotyping, I said "in particular". I do realise it is not only working (or not )class males who will vote for BNP.

i won't watch but i'm interested in the outcome. I believe that he has the right to speak that same as another party and i hope that the audience and other panel members treat him with the same respect as everyone else. Therefore we can have a nice open debate where we can see the little s** squirm and really show his true colours.

[Sir Trev]

Originally Posted by timwilky

Maybe if something was done to help the poor white underclass, their perceived views could be changed. The nazis rose from post WW1 poverty/unemployment. It could so easily happen here

Not just the poor. Those of us in "Middle England", with professional salaries, paying lots of tax, never taking but always giving, are also getting fed up with being bled dry so that the have-nots can (if they wish) sit around on benefits for life. We pay ever increasing council tax for diminishing services and if, like me, you're in a Tory area most of your council tax goes to pay for services in a Labour area!!! We keep this country going but are being taken for granted, by all political parties.

I would not consider voting for them myself but a lot of utterly fed up white collar workers are seriously considering the BNP as a way out of this.

[Grant66]

The BNP have gained a voice in mainstream politics mainly due to the lack of action by the two parties which govern this country.

There is a debate to be had about immigration, the growing ethnic minorities within some towns (Burnley I think, is where the BNP got their first council seat, that’s more like an ethnic majority now), the perceived discrimination against whites (e.g. race laws only seem to work in one direction) and compulsory teaching of our children of immigrants culture whilst banning nativity plays (my kids would know more about Dewali than the crucifixion if I’d left it to the school).

The main two parties are too scared to address any of these issues for fear of some PC w****r shouting racist, but until they do the BNP message will flourish.

An example:
My ex Mrs started working for the Enterprise commission in Peterborough promoting the ‘New Deal’, there was a compulsory ethnic awareness course. During this course the employees were educated how not to insult and upset people from other cultures.
Towards the end in the Q&A section she asked if the immigrants to the area received a similar introduction to British culture and how not to insult & upset the locals. She was told “that would be racist”.

Here's a question guys, no right or wrong answer, I don't even know what my answer is.

Griffin and some of his cronies have been convicted of inciting racial hatred. This appears to be the basis of the other parties argument against him being on the TV tonight.

That Islamic Cleric guy...the one with the hook? Can't remember his name. He has IIRC been done with the same thing. So, he starts a political party, gets a couple of local council seats. would you then be happy for him to be on the television to preach his views to the nation?

Given the freedom of speech, providing that they don't "incite racial hatred" they can pretty much say what they like!

The other problem I see with Griffin being on television is that he is DEMANDING Police protection at the studio as there is such a row and because some of the audience members are Holocaust survivors, victims of racial hate crimes, etc etc. How much is that costing us as the taxpayer? Just so he can spout a lot of rubbish?

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

That Islamic Cleric guy...the one with the hook? Can't remember his name. He has IIRC been done with the same thing. So, he starts a political party, gets a couple of local council seats. would you then be happy for him to be on the television to preach his views to the nation?

Given the freedom of speech, providing that they don't "incite racial hatred" they can pretty much say what they like!

Abu Hamza i i think who you mean

If he is a legal citizen of this country and does nothing or says that is hateful he would be entitled to the same as nick griffin

It's the pitfall of living in a country with free speech and a democratic system

the alternate is No platform or censorship which has been tried and does not work as it allows the bigots to spout populist polocies to their own peoples and those on the margins and not be questioned on their real values

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

The other problem I see with Griffin being on television is that he is DEMANDING Police protection at the studio as there is such a row and because some of the audience members are Holocaust survivors, victims of racial hate crimes, etc etc. How much is that costing us as the taxpayer? Just so he can spout a lot of rubbish?

Fuk him if he sees nothing wrong in what he's saying why does he need protection

Abu Hamza was actively inciting terrorism, inciting people to rise up and kill infidels. Nick Griffin just wants to evict non-white people. So long as what you are saying isn't a crime, then you can say it.

[Ch00]

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

How much is that costing us as the taxpayer?

About £100,000 and 300 police officers so one London paper claims