sheriff Joe is at again

You should research. You may regret making these statements. The root causes and the reason those root causes exist are pretty interesting and shouldn't be ignored. That attitude is a really good way to minimise progress in anything.

This kind of acceptance of big headline politics is the reason why these guys in power get to abuse tax money etc.

Both the video i posted and the reports on this Joe dude could both be considered propaganda, like pretty much everything in the news these days.

I seem to be on some rant here, not sure why, maybe because I hate some of the stuff that goes on in the states, and all governments for that matter. I think especially the USA as they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

Totally agree. I think prisoners, especially here get it far too easy, but when you read about how its a business to have a prison in the states and how they have blatantly gone around locking people up for to fill these places makes me sick.

They should be made to work, but not until they get the setup right and stop the profiting off of it.

Originally Posted by breakz187

You should research. You may regret making these statements. The root causes and the reason those root causes exist are pretty interesting and shouldn't be ignored. That attitude is a really good way to minimise progress in anything.

This kind of acceptance of big headline politics is the reason why these guys in power get to abuse tax money etc.

Both the video i posted and the reports on this Joe dude could both be considered propaganda, like pretty much everything in the news these days.

I seem to be on some rant here, not sure why, maybe because I hate some of the stuff that goes on in the states, and all governments for that matter. I think especially the USA as they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

I really don't think I do need to research into it. I deal with low and high level drug crime on a pretty much daily basis. I know how it works and I have an understanding of the people who are involved in it.

And you are right, a lot of the Sheriff Joe stuff will be propoganda too.

I know you are playing devils advocate and I do believe in research and i'm the one normally seeing both sides - but i personally find it hard to feel sorry for those who are behind bars having done,sometimes hideous, crimes to have a better standard of life than the victim who has to deal with the effects for the rest of their lives.

I'm happy to defend my statements I make and I still believe that the crims have more rights than the victim. if you have done something against society then you payback to the community not by sitting on your backside with sky etc. I know its not easy being in there - i've been involved in projects within Barlinnie. Its not nice but its not a deterrent and many repeat - with process like this the reoffending level may drop.
I don't accept headlines at face level never have done and never will.

As for root causes - I work with day in day out and these days the generalistic view is that they feel that they deserve to be kept by the state.
I'm not saying that the process is correct as it stands but with tweaking it couldwork. In fact anything is worth a punt with our over flowing prisions

everyone is entitled to opinion and i'm not dissing yours in anyway and i think we'll have to agree to disagree on our feeling over this but if we all agreed it would be very boring world

AND breathe Q!!!

i know - i've just look back at its an appalling post. I sincerely spologise for my complete lack of punctuation. i hang my head in shame. You can tell i've been working on spreadsheets all day.

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[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by breakz187

.... I hate some of the stuff that goes on in the states, and all governments for that matter. I think especially the USA as they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

Amen to that mate, amen.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by breakz187

Totally agree. I think prisoners, especially here get it far too easy, but when you read about how its a business to have a prison in the states and how they have blatantly gone around locking people up for to fill these places makes me sick.

They should be made to work, but not until they get the setup right and stop the profiting off of it.

Are you actually saying that police, judges and juries have been locking people up just to make a prison profitable?

And they actually struggle to fill these jails enough to make a profit they're having to go out of their way to do it? If so then why these?;

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/news/uwire041502.html


N.B I agree that gaols, as a public service, should not be treated as businesses. However, if the inmates can work, and so reduce their cost on society, so much the better.
And slave labour? This is hardly "roots" mate, I for one would far rather be digging a road or whatever else than sat in a small concrete cube 23 hours a day.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Are you actually saying that police, judges and juries have been locking people up just to make a prison profitable?

And they actually struggle to fill these jails enough to make a profit they're having to go out of their way to do it? If so then why these?;

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/news/uwire041502.html


N.B I agree that gaols, as a public service, should not be treated as businesses. However, if the inmates can work, and so reduce their cost on society, so much the better.
And slave labour? This is hardly "roots" mate, I for one would far rather be digging a road or whatever else than sat in a small concrete cube 23 hours a day.

+1 - Great post!

Go research both side of this and you might be surprised.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Are you actually saying that police, judges and juries have been locking people up just to make a prison profitable?

And they actually struggle to fill these jails enough to make a profit they're having to go out of their way to do it? If so then why these?;

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/news/uwire041502.html


N.B I agree that gaols, as a public service, should not be treated as businesses. However, if the inmates can work, and so reduce their cost on society, so much the better.
And slave labour? This is hardly "roots" mate, I for one would far rather be digging a road or whatever else than sat in a small concrete cube 23 hours a day.