Stoned to death

[yorkie_chris]

It brings back the old debate of whether what is "right" is an absolute or dependent on your current reference frame.

I would not agree "their laws, their country". Of course people being imprisoned in Vichy France was fine, after all, it was "their" country, right?

I am with Lozzo, Sharia law over my dead body. A foreign culture trying to influence our own with their barbaric ways. Strange actually, probably the very thing a mad savage of an ayatollah would say about us trying to civilise their country...


And just to add some humour;

I agree, you abide by the laws of this land or fook off, shove your own laws up your arris sideways.
Makes me smile actually, they have all this barbaric crap in their own countries then come here and make a big song and dance over the slightest little inconvenience.
We cant even stop and search them for fear of rascist accusations.

They openly admit they wanna take over the world, not in this country while there's a drop of blood in my body.

[yorkie_chris]

Just to reality check before we lock and load and light the torches... "they" are about 3 highly vocal nutters and I would guess the vast majority of subjects in muslim lands are normal people just controlled by fear.


But for your mentalist hate-filled clerics, I'd put them down without a second thought... live by the sword, get shot by someone who doesn't

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Just to reality check before we lock and load and light the torches... "they" are about 3 highly vocal nutters and I would guess the vast majority of subjects in muslim lands are normal people just controlled by fear.


But for your mentalist hate-filled clerics, I'd put them down without a second thought... live by the sword, get shot by someone who doesn't

Actually they muslims i have come into contact with have been no different to you and i, they dont condone the actions of the extremists, wether they agree with all the stuff secretly is another matter, but on the whole i take people as i find them, but as the asian areas in brum are expanding rapidly, its is starting to get like we're the minority and when that happens we wont be able to control what laws they follow.
Until we stop the clerics preaching untrue crap to the masses, we will never be able to intergrate peacefully.

[yorkie_chris]

I do credit most people with the common sense to decide what is true and what is lunacy. Just like I wouldn't expect people to consider me as being in the IRA just because I was raised a catholic...

I don't know what the solution is, but anything to stop the formation of fully asian areas would be a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Speedy Claire

Very sadly public stoning is also a common event in Somalia. For exmaple:

Dec 2009 a man accused of adultery was stoned to death

Nov 2009 a 20 year old woman was stoned to death by Somali Islamists, accused of adultery after giving birth to a still-born baby

Oct 2008 a 13 year old girl publically tortured and stoned to death after she claimed she had been raped.

Is unbelievable that this kind of barbarity still goes on around the world.

Originally Posted by kitkat

it is disgusting that in this day and age this sort of stuff still goes on. As for celebrities and other governments gettings involved, I dont agree with that, the woman is from that country, knows the rules and the risks. If it was a tourist then fair enough get involved.

Originally Posted by Quedos

yeah but who exactly are we to dictate to anothe country with completely different types of laws, cultures and the way in people see things. Why should we tell them we don't like what they are doing-and impose our way of thinking.

Its almost like asking them to interfere in one of our judicial cases - Face it countries are never going to see eye to eye on this.

Lozzo stated that sharia law over his dead body - so we don't like when someone else thinks about doing to our own culture just a tad hypocritical??

My own opinion is that I do think its barabaric and think its wrong but its their country. (there still a lot of barbaric practises going on in UK let sort out or own before we go gung-ho to other places)

KK, Q, whilst generally I would agree with that sentiment, read Speedy Claires post above.

With the reference to "they know the rules and the risks", erm, a woman has a still born baby and they believe that means shes had an affair so they stone her to death? OK, so how was that her taking a risk or breaking the rules?

Or the 13 yr old girl who reported she had been raped?

Perhaps if these things were carried out after a proper, fair trial then yeh, fair enough, you pays your money, you takes your chances but to stone a 13 year old girl because she had been raped that is, I actually cannot find the words to express my feelings at that.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Quedos

yeah but who exactly are we to dictate to anothe country with completely different types of laws, cultures and the way in people see things. Why should we tell them we don't like what they are doing-and impose our way of thinking.

We are civilised people.

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

KK, Q, whilst generally I would agree with that sentiment, read Speedy Claires post above.

With the reference to "they know the rules and the risks", erm, a woman has a still born baby and they believe that means shes had an affair so they stone her to death? OK, so how was that her taking a risk or breaking the rules?

Or the 13 yr old girl who reported she had been raped?

Perhaps if these things were carried out after a proper, fair trial then yeh, fair enough, you pays your money, you takes your chances but to stone a 13 year old girl because she had been raped that is, I actually cannot find the words to express my feelings at that.

It's just wrong... you can't even call them animals because there isn't even any reason for it? insanity? Perhaps. It's like the chaos depicted in apocalypse now, unhinged... a little bit of hell seeping into this world.

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

KK, Q, whilst generally I would agree with that sentiment, read Speedy Claires post above.

With the reference to "they know the rules and the risks", erm, a woman has a still born baby and they believe that means shes had an affair so they stone her to death? OK, so how was that her taking a risk or breaking the rules?

Or the 13 yr old girl who reported she had been raped?

Perhaps if these things were carried out after a proper, fair trial then yeh, fair enough, you pays your money, you takes your chances but to stone a 13 year old girl because she had been raped that is, I actually cannot find the words to express my feelings at that.

there are always going to be cases like this. Im not saying stoning is a good idea, what Im saying is this current case has been all over news and all it has been going on about is that this celebrity and that celebrity are wanting to fight this and pressure on other governments to get involved. It has nothing to do with celebrities or other governments. Amnestity and other international groups, I can see them getting involved and highlighting cases like this but it is not up to some bored film star to decide how sentences are carried out in other countries with such different ideas and cultures.

Just send in Team America.

they sort everything out.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

It's just wrong... you can't even call them animals because there isn't even any reason for it? insanity? Perhaps. It's like the chaos depicted in apocalypse now, unhinged... a little bit of hell seeping into this world.

Exactly, it's almost just like an excuse to torture people, not a punishment.