The hazards us Nottm folks have to deal with

Originally Posted by specialone

Well im not a riding god, but have good obs (well think i do) but i didnt see the film so cant comment, but it doesnt promote IAM very well if he was doing the things you all said he was.
I can ride like a d1ck without training so might give it a miss.

I don't dismiss decent advanced rider training as I thnk everyone can benefit from being shown a better way of doing certain things, I just intensely dislike the IAM 'system' and the attitude so many of their members have towards those who aren't in their little clique.

I've encountered plenty of them at a shop I used to work in, and some of them are so bloody arrogant I'd have to hold myself back from sticking one on them.

[yorkie_chris]

Can't say I think so strongly as lozzo, I know a couple of IAM-ers and they seem right enough.

Agree to some extent about the training and such, though learning a rigid system does not mean you have to apply all of it, all the time. Like any martial art, just because you are a champion at judo does not mean you would throw someone in a boxing ring, or being a grappler does not mean you would use that if fighting outside a pub. Like any system you study it, try it, take what you think is good from it and store the rest.



But at the end of the day, I know what the biggest hazard I ever face when negotiating traffic is...







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Yup, that's right. The biggest danger to life and limb is the gibbon with his hand on the throttle.

Now f*** off and stop riding like a fanny!

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

That bike really is the epitome of function over form.

[Red Herring]

See now I think Lozzo is being just a tad harsh here and I think you ought to stick to commenting on the individuals riding rather than using their example to condemn an entire organization like the IAM.

Personally I wasn't that impressed with what i saw either. As soon as I saw the van emerging I'd have had a nearside mirror/shoulder check (which the rider does eventually but far to late) and then gone for the nearside lane as soon as the bus lane ended. It was quite obvious that the van was going to get held in the middle of the road and by adjusting to the nearside you would have had a cleaner run past it, especially given the presence of the other vehicle in the middle of the road waiting to turn right. As it was he gave away position to the taxi and ended up being held back at the lights with no room to filter.

People film their ride for a number of reasons and some are confident enough to post such in public arenas, which means they have to be prepared to take peoples views whichever way they are, so I'm a bit disappointed the OP has gone quiet on this. I've been involved in making videos on Advanced Riding, and it's not easy because there will always be different opinions, and lets face it, there is no such thing as the perfect ride. I would however say that if anyone reading this thread has picked up just one little tip that will improve their riding then it's job done, regardless of any personal views about the IAM or any other organization.

[Bibio]

i must go do my IAM next year just to see what all the fuss is about. but from what i can gather its a bit like a pyramid scheme where by the higher up you get the more you become a better rider which entitles you to start charging people to learn your bad habits.

[Red Herring]

I guess so but then the only way to get higher up is by being a better rider..... The problem is that the definition of a better rider does tend to vary. There are plenty of people out there who rate their own riding quite highly, but sometimes that's simply because they are oblivious to just how much they are missing.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Red Herring

People film their ride for a number of reasons and some are confident enough to post such in public arenas, which means they have to be prepared to take peoples views whichever way they are, so I'm a bit disappointed the OP has gone quiet on this.

Attitude was the problem, the guy posted up to show off his brilliant hazard perception and how his c*ck must be massive for avoiding all the obvious numpties.

Compare him to Seggons who showed up on here and posted some brilliant vids of him riding into bushes like some kind of petrolhead Bill Oddie, and with humility asked "why do I keep riding into bushes like some sort of petrolhead Bill Oddie". So he got honest advice (and a bit of p*ss taking).

This guy seems to have gone to the I-AM(better than you) school of motorcycling, and did not want any advice... so has got nothing but the p*ss taken And all is right with the world #ommmm#

Originally Posted by Red Herring

See now I think Lozzo is being just a tad harsh here and I think you ought to stick to commenting on the individuals riding rather than using their example to condemn an entire organization like the IAM.

Now you see, I don't think I was being harsh at all. The bloke posted up videos showing some abysmal riding and I pointed out the error of his ways. Unfortunately he'd decided to slap IAM all over his sig which is like a red rag to a bull as far as I'm concerned, so instead of getting a bit of a tickle with a feather duster, he got both barrels of my sarcasm shotgun.

I make no secret of my dislike of the IAM, its methods, its system, most of its members arrogance, its clique and its apparent ability to turn out some of the worst riders I've ever had the displeasure to be on the same road with. We have a joke amongst my friends, if someone claims they've never dropped their bike, we advise them to join the IAM because it'll be one of the first things they do once they've passed. in my 32 years of riding, working in bike shops and in the bike trade I've encountered huge numbers of IAM members, but of all of those I know there are only just a handful I'd want within 100 metres of me on a ride-out, and then I'd want them in front so I can see wtf they were doing all the time. I don't count those IAM members who are also Police Class 1 drivers/riders though, I have to say they are the best road riders I have ever ridden with.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Attitude was the problem, the guy posted up to show off his brilliant hazard perception and how his c*ck must be massive for avoiding all the obvious numpties.

Compare him to Seggons who showed up on here and posted some brilliant vids of him riding into bushes like some kind of petrolhead Bill Oddie, and with humility asked "why do I keep riding into bushes like some sort of petrolhead Bill Oddie". So he got honest advice (and a bit of p*ss taking).

This guy seems to have gone to the I-AM(better than you) school of motorcycling, and did not want any advice... so has got nothing but the p*ss taken And all is right with the world #ommmm#

You've got funnier since you graduated - don't study any more, it's not good for you

[Red Herring]

I didn't see the other vids Lozzo but based on the one I did see I'm certainly not going to argue with you over his standard of riding, and you're perfectly entitled to slate the individual as much as you like. I do however think the IAM, along with other "Advanced" organizations such as Rospa and Bikesafe do a great deal to make the average rider better and I can't sit by and listen to you basically condemn the very principals by which they all operate, which incidentally are identical to those used by the police advanced rider you are so complimentary about. I do accept that some "IAM" individuals, and even some groups, are not all they should be, but the facts are that riders who have undertaken further Advanced training are significantly less likely to be involved in a crash and you can't argue with that.




ps.....fancy a ride sometime?