Careful what you post on the t'interweb..

I remember that actually. Few years ago now wasn't it?

[Biker Biggles]

Was that the bloke who did a blog of his time inside?
If so I remember thinking what awast of public money sending him to prison was.
I dont quite buy the "if a complaint is made things have to happen" arguement rither.I know there are policies and proceedures(endless ones no doubt)but how often do reports of crimes just get shelved as a crime number and NFA?Why do they choose to persue some of these cases where essentially nothing has happened?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by gruntygiggles

Ah, but you may well be calling him a "real criminal" if he pulled a wheelie past a loved one at stupid speed, lost control, causing massive accident and loved ones injury or worse...demise.

It's like drink drivers...dangerous driving is dangerous driving. End of. If you get behind the wheel after having too much to drink, you are effectively a moving lethal weapon. If you drive sober but in a dangerous manner, you are still a moving lethal weapon.

On a bike, you may be less likely to cause as much damage to others through your own poor actions, but it can and does still happen, so to me, riding in a dangerous manner does make you a real criminal.

Accidents happen, evil people hurt people on purpose... big difference IMO. Anyway we digress.


My point about DD is the defence "nah b*llocks that wasn't dangerous, I was in full control" is better than admitting dangerous driving. Same as speeding... same in any of these cases, people have a simple case of speeding against them and they make it 100x worse by making it easy by admitting DD. That ban and big fine then comes with time inside.

just because your in control doesnt mean it isnt dangerous driving.


fecking scary tho. take the AR your bound to get one knobber doing 120mph past some copper. Do we all get tarred with the same brush?

[Messie]

[QUOTE=AndyBrad;2419413]just because your in control doesnt mean it isnt dangerous driving.


fecking scary tho. take the AR your bound to get one knobber doing 120mph past some copper. Do we all get tarred with the same brush?[/QUOTE]

Which AR? Who?
I can't recall that happening

Originally Posted by AndyBrad

just because your in control doesnt mean it isnt dangerous driving.


fecking scary tho. take the AR your bound to get one knobber doing 120mph past some copper. Do we all get tarred with the same brush?

lol in fairness its not just AR, majority of the ride outs I've attended (not just org) has seen some participant doing licence loosing speed.
Guilty by assosication I assume, but to be safe dont stop at the scene if someone bins it and you can deny association.

[Paul the 6th]

Originally Posted by Owenski

lol in fairness its not just AR, majority of the ride outs I've attended (not just org) has seen some participant doing licence loosing speed.
Guilty by assosication I assume, but to be safe dont stop at the scene if someone bins it and you can deny association.

just don't tell them about that time we smoked a load of crack behind my tent at AR08

[gruntygiggles]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Accidents happen, evil people hurt people on purpose... big difference IMO. Anyway we digress.


My point about DD is the defence "nah b*llocks that wasn't dangerous, I was in full control" is better than admitting dangerous driving. Same as speeding... same in any of these cases, people have a simple case of speeding against them and they make it 100x worse by making it easy by admitting DD. That ban and big fine then comes with time inside.

Yep...never black and white YC.

[fizzwheel]

Stay on topic please. Megathread is for chat / taking the mick.

Ta

Fizz

[fastdruid]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

My point about DD is the defence "nah b*llocks that wasn't dangerous, I was in full control" is better than admitting dangerous driving. Same as speeding... same in any of these cases, people have a simple case of speeding against them and they make it 100x worse by making it easy by admitting DD. That ban and big fine then comes with time inside.

Too right, IMO a number of people have been stitched up[1] by the bad advice given when charged with DD. They make the mistake that because they were guilty of doing something (eg very high speed) that they are guilty of the offence of DD. Not true. Plus even then the police have to *prove* it.

For example I was charged with DWDCA for a 'wheelie', I *admitted* what I was being charged for but argued (successfully) that it wasn't DWDCA. Result, Not Guilty.

I know of at least one other rider in the same boat, again he won but others have been advised to roll over ("oooh, you'll never win against the word of two officers" and "you admit the front wheel left the ground and you'll be found guilty"), thing is though that at least with DWDCA/speeding the 'worst' you're going to get is a big fine and points/ban. DD caries the possibility of jail time and for that reason alone taking the risk that an early guilty plea will reduce the sentence and you won't get jail time isn't worth it. Plead Not Guilty and your brief may get it 'dropped' to DWDCA/Speeding if you plead guilty.

In this case I think the guy was an idiot, firstly for boasting and putting up the vids and secondly for confessing and making the police case for them, I think they'll make an example of him and I think he's looking at jail time.

Druid

[1] Eg the pair caught on radar doing something like 150+. Guilty of speeding? Yes. Guilty of DD? Arguable.