Racist Tram Rant

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Tommy H

Theres nothing in that clip that a kid couldn't hear from it's mother on a tram in Croydon.

Perhaps so, but it wasn't really necessary to post it on here, the BBC link would have sufficed.

I was appalled to see that vid posted without a thought for the U rating. Although nothng wrong with a provocation for a healthy debate of course

racism and stereo types are always going to exist. opinions are always going to clash.

but there is a time and a place for everything, and sitting on a tram (public place) shouting your mouth off isn't a good place to share an opinion like this.

This is not the only time when opinions in public have caused alot of problems such as the burning of the union jack at the royal wedding this year by Muslim groups.

or the lack of respect to remembrance day and its memorials where poppies are burnt and statues graffiti on.


but this is a country we live in and we have to accept this crap happens and ignore the small amount of people who are out there to cause such distress. I am sure the lady will get some form of punishment for what she has done, which is to no surprise. But this story is currently all over the media and people making a big deal out of it on facebook a case which has been clearly dealt with properly.

but i can think of alot worse scenarios of racism / stereotypes have been used. where people have gotten away with saying / doing some of the worst things yet no one makes sucha big deal of it.

to all those people that advertised that rubbish should stop the spreading of this clearly insulting video which is probably going to cause people to hate British people as so many people are publishing it. Making the whole thing worse?

[Sid Squid]

Originally Posted by Binky

Not considering all the point here i think.

I await your response informing me what I missed.

Originally Posted by Binky

The comments, at the very least, are just offensive. They could go on to mentally annoy/harm/torture certain people,

The comments at worst are just offensive, and there could be little green men on Mars. Your comment is somewhat of an extrapolation - a loudmouth idiot holding a child seems an unlikely assailant to me, and there's still that the only thing done is stupidity loudly, why talk it up into something it isn't? To make a point perhaps?

Originally Posted by Binky

possibly affecting thier lives or choice to live in this country.

There are million attitudes that might affect that decision - this one isn't special.

Originally Posted by Binky

And if this tram bint isn't cautioned, arrested or whatever then many others may feel it ok to behave like this.

Bint? Bint? I think you'll find that's sexist language - how could you? Someone might be offended you know.
But ignoring that insensitive term for a moment, take a second to realise that the only difference in what you wrote right there and what the woman on the tram said, is what you consider 'acceptable' in your personal mores - and there's no better example of subjectivity than that. Where do we stop with an attitude like yours? Free speech is a double edged sword - long may it swing.

Originally Posted by Binky

If it happened while i was on a train, i would feel very uncomfortable and probably say something, even if the comments weren't directed at me.

Is this intended to be in response to my post? Not sure what you're getting at there.

Originally Posted by Binky

Your points earlier didn't seem to encompass all the outcomes in my eyes...

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment either, or is it simply intended to suggest your greater understanding of the circumstance? Perhaps you just didn't want them to?

PS. What's unsaid in your last sentence?

Someone has to stand up and say something, and in my opinion it is only going to get worse, not better as many people think.

If we continue to allow such a wide variety of people in to a small country with so many different religions, what do people expect?

Myself, coming from working on building sites where occasionally I am the only English person there, and even have had to use an interpreter just to have a conversation with another electrician... its insane, and its all in my country.

I have a friend who is a far left labour supporter. He absolutely loves the fact we bring a wide variety of people in to boost the economy... from another forum he just posted this:

'If it weren't for the Poles there are a billion things in London that wouldn't get built'.

Problem is with him, he says this from his office chair while he earns 100k per year...

There was no need for the woman in the video to use such language and yes she clearly needs help. However I feel she has a valid point and yes, if you look at the other people on that bus... Its hardly what I would call England anymore, and I am by no means proud to be British.

[Binky]

I await your response informing me what I missed.

The fact of other negative outcomes after her comments.

The comments at worst are just offensive, and there could be little green men on Mars. Your comment is somewhat of an extrapolation - a loudmouth idiot holding a child seems an unlikely assailant to me, and there's still that the only thing done is stupidity loudly, why talk it up into something it isn't? To make a point perhaps?

There are million attitudes that might affect that decision - this one isn't special.

Agreed. But it could still contribute and have negative outcomes on a persons emotions and life, therefore why should it be ignored just because there are others. This degree of hatred seems to step over the line.

Bint? Bint? I think you'll find that's sexist language - how could you? Someone might be offended you know.
But ignoring that insensitive term for a moment, take a second to realise that the only difference in what you wrote right there and what the woman on the tram said, is what you consider 'acceptable' in your personal mores - and there's no better example of subjectivity than that. Where do we stop with an attitude like yours? Free speech is a double edged sword - long may it swing.

Well i would say given her behaviour and the, now disliking i have for said tram women, i feel fine using a derogatory term that just so happens to be gender specific. In no way am i being sexist, just offensive (if she were to here it.) My comment differs from hers as she has provoked an emotion in me, whereas her remakrs appear (from the film) to be unprovoked.


Is this intended to be in response to my post? Not sure what you're getting at there.

No. I was only stating that if this happened and i was there i would have intervened to ask her to stop, due to the atmosphere and situation.

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment either, or is it simply intended to suggest your greater understanding of the circumstance? Perhaps you just didn't want them to?

[COLOR="rgb(72, 209, 204)"]I don't feel i have a greater understanding of the situation. I do however feel my views take into account a lot more of the outcomes, causes and effects though. I appreciate your opinions and certainly relate and agree to things you've said, i just feel your statements are just (ever so slightly) more narrow minded than mine.
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[Binky]

Originally Posted by Stuuk1

Its hardly what I would call England anymore, and I am by no means proud to be British.

Ditto. But because of horrible intolerant people like her. I couldn't give a hoot if foreigners came to live in this country as long as they contribute and abide to society and law. Fair enough? It's one whole world, i'm, personally, not that bothered by borders or language constraints.

Originally Posted by Stuuk1

Someone has to stand up and say something, and in my opinion it is only going to get worse, not better as many people think.

If we continue to allow such a wide variety of people in to a small country with so many different religions, what do people expect?

Myself, coming from working on building sites where occasionally I am the only English person there, and even have had to use an interpreter just to have a conversation with another electrician... its insane, and its all in my country.

I have a friend who is a far left labour supporter. He absolutely loves the fact we bring a wide variety of people in to boost the economy... from another forum he just posted this:

'If it weren't for the Poles there are a billion things in London that wouldn't get built'.

Problem is with him, he says this from his office chair while he earns 100k per year...

There was no need for the woman in the video to use such language and yes she clearly needs help. However I feel she has a valid point and yes, if you look at the other people on that bus... Its hardly what I would call England anymore, and I am by no means proud to be British.

Thanks for that view - I'll get back in my banana boat and paddle back to all my spaghetti-wog friends in my home country of Malta asap

[MisterTommyH]

Ha ha Lozzo, don't you mean your charabanc?

I don't get it when people say it's just not Britain anymore? Britain has always been multi-cultural.

Unless your a celt or a pict then you're not native British.

In the last couple of hundred years we had an empire so wide that people from all over the world have come and lived here. Diversity is what makes Britain Britain.

And tolerance is what sets up apart from the USA.

Only places with a better attitude are the Australasians.

[TamSV]

Originally Posted by Tommy H

I don't get it when people say it's just not Britain anymore? Britain has always been multi-cultural.

Quite so.

Before we made it to Scotland, one distant branch of my family came over from Burgundy in 1066 (an away win for us).

Keep England French I say.

[SIII]

I think you'll find that them frenchie's that came over were actually Normans - which translates as Men of the North - Norsemen - Vikings!