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[Spiderman]

This has turned out to be a most intresting thread generated from a shredded tyre.

[rictus01]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

This has turned out to be a most intresting thread generated from a shredded tyre.

Mail servers down so got a few minute,

Yeah, got to say from a simple tyre pic or two, it’s generated some interesting comments.

Allow me to keep it going.

The mutual gratification apart.

What I can make out is,
Unless your tyre is worn like a track or race tyre, you’re a B*llsh*tter. (According to two contributors apparently)
Which as you maybe able to tell I don’t agree with, road/work & commuting use is totally different to track use even with spirited road riding thrown in it wouldn’t result in the type of wear Joe expects.(not many corners are like clearways/ Clark's in the real world).
Apart from the fact that as I originally said, I only got 3 days riding on it after setting up the rear shock and made no claims of any lean angles, the terms I used was “spin the back up out of corners”.

So a road tyre with a rear shock not setup for 5.5k of its 6.2k life should look like a track or race tyre? Don’t think so, an even more if it did, I’d suggest the rider hadn’t taken observation as a primary concern over that time and was lucky to have not had some incident (read "rides like a nutter"). The triumph isn’t like an SV and you can’t (well I can’t) just gun it out of corners full throttle it's got to much power for that .

Instead you have to roll on throttle through the apex and when the bike has a fairly straight line out and is mostly upright, only then can you gun it inducing power wheel spin off the throttle and control it, Much as I've had a full and enjoyable life, I'm not quite ready to end it yet, by using all the power directly from the apex

Having gone through 7-8 rears each year, none have worn the same as Joe suggests, (although I only managed a single track day on any set) perhaps I’m getting old and slow these days, however the lack of chicken strips on the last tyres (about 3mm each side) show that even I’m capable on a big heavy bike of getting significant lean angles.
Not believing the Triumph can wheel spin of the throttle alone, just shows they haven’t owned a 140bhp triumph before, so I can sort of understand that being unbelievable to them, true though it is (well Ok a bit of exaggeration
there, 138.9 bhp in truth)

I find it hard to believe that anyone knows what my Speedo indicated at full wack, as even I didn’t, not taking in to account svracer knowledge (or lack) of the modifications made to my bike, when you consider I don’t think I’ve ever been introduce or been on a ride out with her ? Apart from an uninformed opinion, I can’t see how she would know whether it was true or not. Perhaps coming from a 72bhp SV race bike her perceptions are different?

And as you can read even Joe’s mistyped post about 70-80% better ability, rather that just call it b*llsh*t, I chose to point out what his error could have been, allowing him to correct or explain, but then that’s just me, I suppose.

And as for Ego, well being a timid person, I have to make grandiose claims on the forum, as I don’t say much when at the meets

OK, I’ve just spent at least 10 minutes writing this, I expect some good replies.

Cheers Mark.

[Viney]

Oh dear!

Originally Posted by rictus01

Mail servers down so got a few minute,

Yeah, got to say from a simple tyre pic or two, it’s generated some interesting comments.

Allow me to keep it going.

and me

Originally Posted by rictus01

OK, I’ve just spent at least 10 minutes writing this, I expect some good replies.

I shall do my best but sarah aint in today to join in

Originally Posted by rictus01

What I can make out is,
Unless your tyre is worn like a track or race tyre, you’re a B*llsh*tter. (According to two contributors apparently)
Which as you maybe able to tell I don’t agree with,

not quite what I am saying but ok I can understand how you got that from what I have typed

road/work & commuting use is totally different to track use

agreed

even with spirited road riding thrown in it wouldn’t result in the type of wear Joe expects.(not many corners are like clearways/ Clark's in the real world).

I am not expecting to see the sort of wear from a road tyre that you get on a raced/tracked tyre, what I am suggesting is that if you are spinning it up out of corners you would not actually wear the centre of the tyre like you have, more off the centre. I would also suggest that you have possibly just put to many miles on this tyre and gone through the centre (this I am suggesting as you claim not to have done a burnout in 10yrs and could explain the majority of wear).

Apart from the fact that as I originally said, I only got 3 days riding on it after setting up the rear shock and made no claims of any lean angles, the terms I used was “spin the back up out of corners”.

agreed I was indeedy taking the micky out a ya

So a road tyre with a rear shock not setup for 5.5k of its 6.2k life should look like a track or race tyre?

No

Don’t think so, an even more if it did, I’d suggest the rider hadn’t taken observation as a primary concern over that time and was lucky to have not had some incident (read "rides like a nutter").

May I just say here that I have never seen a tyre used on the road that looked like it had been raced, the obvious exception being raced tryes out of official road races!

The triumph isn’t like an SV and you can’t (well I can’t) just gun it out of corners full throttle it's got to much power for that .

well you could but you would probably highside it!

Instead you have to roll on throttle through the apex and when the bike has a fairly straight line out and is mostly upright, only then can you gun it inducing power wheel spin

having this happen while I have been riding like a 'nutter', I would suggest that whilst the bike was indeed more upright than knee down, I was still over and well off the centre of the tyre. Remember folks just because the TL1000s has 120bhp and had a reputation for a widdow maker It didn't make 120bhp all the way up the rev range, only at the top! there fore suggesting that I managed to spin the rear up somewhere around 80-90bhp in the wet and over on the exit of a roundabout!

Much as I've had a full and enjoyable life, I'm not quite ready to end it yet, by using all the power directly from the apex

Having gone through 7-8 rears each year, none have worn the same as Joe suggests,

Mark if I had seen any of your tyres being worn anything like you percieve me to have been suggesting I would offer you a little more respect, and question your statements less.

(although I only managed a single track day on any set) perhaps I’m getting old and slow these days,

perhaps

however the lack of chicken strips on the last tyres (about 3mm each side) show that even I’m capable on a big heavy bike of getting significant lean angles.
Not believing the Triumph can wheel spin of the throttle alone, just shows they haven’t owned a 140bhp triumph before, so I can sort of understand that being unbelievable to them, true though it is (well Ok a bit of exaggeration
there, 138.9 bhp in truth)

well you are right, I have never owned a triumph, and tbh haven't liked any of the ones they have produced todate probably wont buy one either. As for sarah does an R1 count as a fast enough and powerfull enough bike for her to base her arguments on? Just coz she races a 'slow' bike doesn't mean she cannot ride fast bikes fast!

I find it hard to believe that anyone knows what my Speedo indicated at full wack, as even I didn’t, not taking in to account svracer knowledge (or lack) of the modifications made to my bike, when you consider I don’t think I’ve ever been introduce or been on a ride out with her ? Apart from an uninformed opinion, I can’t see how she would know whether it was true or not. Perhaps coming from a 72bhp SV race bike her perceptions are different?

I shall leave this one for sarah I think

And as you can read even Joe’s mistyped post about 70-80% better ability, rather that just call it b*llsh*t, I chose to point out what his error could have been, allowing him to correct or explain, but then that’s just me, I suppose.

hey I did ask you to "clarify" as I was obviously having dificulties understanding what you were suggesting, so don't get all righteous and holier than thou on me!

And as for Ego, well being a timid person, I have to make grandiose claims on the forum, as I don’t say much when at the meets



Cheers Mark.

maybe, maybe not. I am not gonna get into a slaging match with ya about you possibly exagerating everything you say and me being too young and inexperianced to know what I am talking about! I do know a fair amount as you do about riding and other things involved with bikes, perhaps as you are an old fart now you 'know' more than me? perhaps you being an old fart have forgotton things and are loosing your marbles

perhaps we should just say that we have different opinions on things, you claim to have caused that tyre wear in a way I cannot see being possible as the sole reason, (yes I did read the bit about it being 5.5k of its 6.2k before you started to 'play')and you believe as I havenot owened a triumph(does that bit matter) that put outs 140bhp(was that at the rear wheel?) wearing those particular tyres so have no knowledge of what is and is not possible.

so what do you say we call it at we are different people that have different thoughts and do things in different ways?!?

Originally Posted by rubberduckofdeath

Ladies, ladies...

where? I cant see any*looks around*

Originally Posted by Viney

Oh dear!

what?

[rictus01]

In at work at the moment, did look at this last night but didn't have time to answer it properly (all that quote stuff takes time), I've got about 20 minutes whilst the network probe gathers data, so here goes.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

I shall do my best but sarah aint in today to join in

I’m sure she’ll be along shortly

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

not quite what I am saying but ok I can understand how you got that from what I have typed

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

I smell a dirty doggy dodo!(bull**** scores more than doggy do)

Ok what does that mean then ?

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

I am not expecting to see the sort of wear from a road tyre that you get on a raced/tracked tyre,

From your previous comments that’s less that clear.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

I get better lean angles on my thundershat!

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

I would have expected higher wear at about 3/4 lean, the same as you get on race bikes

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

You have also seen the trye wear that occors when you exit clearways really fast spinning the rear, you get wear 3/4 or the way accross the tyre on the right hand side.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

agreed

As I said previously, I don’t believe you can do that to a road tyre safely, apart from as you say Road racing, so we can agree on this point then I take it ?

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

you to have caused this wear by spinning the rear but not while cranked over

Originally Posted by rictus01

made no claims of any lean angles, the terms I used was “spin the back up out of corners”.

Originally Posted by rictus01

Instead you have to roll on throttle through the apex and when the bike has a fairly straight line out and is mostly upright, only then can you gun it inducing power wheel spin off the throttle and control it,

you were the only one mentioning “cranked over”

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

Mark if I had seen any of your tyres being worn anything like you percieve me to have been suggesting I would offer you a little more respect, and question your statements less.

Joe if commanding your respect requires riding on public roads to that extent, I’ll pass thanks. O and feel free to question anything, but surely you don’t need me to tell you that.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

well you are right, I have never owned a triumph,

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

I shall leave this one for sarah I think

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

As for sarah does an R1 count as a fast enough and powerfull enough bike for her to base her arguments on? Just coz she races a 'slow' bike

I’m reluctant to comment on things I don’t have all the facts on, but if drawn,

Surely she should know 170 is more that possible on the speedo, but doesn’t mean the road speed was what was indicated, and riding an R1 this should have been even more evident, unless of course the speedo has been calibrated to be more accurate than factory.

I had an indicated 140 on the SV speedo and with three gps’s they only indicated 131, and I know the error increases the faster the speedo reads.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

hey I did ask you to "clarify" as I was obviously having dificulties understanding what you were suggesting, so don't get all righteous and holier than thou on me.

Bad choice of words, I’m agnostic so “Holier” isn’t something I’m ever going to be, but I haven’t called anyone a b*llsh*er, so far.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

maybe, maybe not. I am not gonna get into a slaging match with ya.

Seems you are already, but I’d call it lively debate.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

I do know a fair amount as you do about riding

To be honest Joe I’ve only ever followed you when I’ve been on an SV650 and you on better handling and more powerful machinery , so am reluctant to comment.

Originally Posted by rictus01

perhaps I’m getting old and slow these days,

although on these occasions I pretty much matched your pace even on what was it you called the SV ? o Yeah a "slow bike".

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

perhaps as you are an old f*rt now you 'know' more than me?,

I was unaware I'd claimed more knowledge than you ? but thinking about it ??????

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

perhaps you being an old f*rt have forgotten things and are loosing your marbles ,

Could be true ? but fortunately I’ve still retained enough to carry on riding for a few more years yet.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

you believe as I have not owened a triumph(does that bit matter)

I’m sure you noticed the difference in power characteristics between the V twin TL and the Thundercat IL4, would you claim them to be the same ?

Though not, well a triumph triple is something different to both ( and a modified one even more so), and judging by your responses perhaps being familiar with them would make my comments more understandable to you.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

so what do you say we call it at we are different people that have different thoughts and do things in different ways?!?

If you insist, although I do enjoy this and reserve the right to reply to svracers comment, which she will no doubt add.

How's that, got to go, I'll try to re-visit this afternoon for rebuttal

Cheers Mark.

If I get a chance later to reply I shall but am busy this morning, I too enjoy all this banter and debate

Here fishy fishy...you can remove the hook now

Strange how people have to justify their existance isnt it.

I certainly do understand how bikes can wheelspin having ridden everything from the latest GSXR1000 to a powerbike. Even the SV will slide if provoked enough...jeez come to think of that so would a CG125

Just find it hilarious that you have felt the need to post pictures of it and then when people have read between the lines you then state the 170 wasnt in fact 170 (you knew this before you typed it but hoped that someone would believe you!). and it was also made out that you were spining it up out of corners ala Rossi style.

I think myself and Joe know the only reason big themselves up like this is generally because they either would love to do what they have said or are lacking somewhat in the self worth plain of things.

Do you see me posting pictures of my rear tyre after every race..here boys look at my tacky rubber...or pictures of me with my knee down everywhere??..no because i know i can so wouldnt care whether anyone else thought i could or not. But then thats the difference between racers and certain road riders...ever see BSB riders biggin themselves up!!!

[rictus01]

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

Strange how people have to justify their existance isnt it.

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

having ridden everything from the latest GSXR1000 to a powerbike. .

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

you have to learn from the master.

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

Joe does impress me as he does an excellent job and is a great person, down to earth and doesnt need to post anything like what you have to up his ego.

Neither do i.

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

[sarah is faster than about 70-80% of the riders in her class.

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

But then thats the difference between racers and certain road riders

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

pictures of me with my knee down everywhere??..no because i know i can .

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

She is fast, faster than 95% of road riders.

Yeah, have to agree with you there, even funnier when they mutually do it.

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

Just find it hilarious that you have felt the need to post pictures of it

No need, but when asked I try to oblige.

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

you then state the 170 wasnt in fact 170 (you knew this before you typed it but hoped that someone would believe you!).

As the original conversation about this wasn’t on the board, and you weren’t there you’re forgiven for not knowing it was about what the speedo showed ( although I would have though that obvious but perhaps not to you) and always was.

So the 170 talked about in the conversation was true, not matter how you twist it.
Both myself and Sid Squid then went on to discuss how far out the speedo was, as in a translation to road speed, but you would know that, O no wait you weren’t there!

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

I think myself and Joe know the only reason big themselves up like this is generally because they either would love to do what they have said or are lacking somewhat in the self worth plain of things.

Refer you to the top of this post, if you say so?

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

Do you see me posting pictures of my rear tyre after every race

I don’t know if anyone asked you to, but if they did, then it would be rude not to.

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

ah BTW why not come out for a ride wednesday evening and show us how ya do it???

Originally Posted by SV650Racer

not up for a ride then?

Originally Posted by rictus01

this Wednesday is Selkent, I'll be there.

Being "the master" you obviously know how to power out of corners? but if you want to watch me, then follow me down from Biggin Hill( great roads from thre to Riverhead), and I'll follow you at some point to, as you put it " learn from the master ", as I'm not quite past it yet I don't mind the odd spirited ride, although can't promise to learn anything as I'm fairly set in my way, but you never know.

Cheers Mark.

I’ll be at the scrambler café at the airport at about 7.40, you coming ????????

Cheers Mark