Japanese Vtwin Sportsbike anyone?

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I think it's important people are clear about what they want.

If you want a GSXR with an SV engine that's one thing and all comments about a GSXR fairing are relevant, though personally I'd see an engine with less power in a chasis not designed to hold it (and probably now flexing due to weird engine mounts and new weight distribution etc) a downgrade.

If we're talking about making a rapid middleweight twin, then the SV chasis and engine are not a bad starting point, you can buy full fairings and just throw away all the budget peripherals.

But no matter how much giggery pokery you do with the engine tune or race fairing on either the 650 or 1000, the SV's chasis is always going to have the higher bars and lower pegs than a focused superbike/sportsbike. Honda didnt just put a fairing on the VTR when they made the SP1 (obviously that never would have won the WSB championship)

What they need to do is make it with more of a sports geometry, like either a duke 748/9 or 998/9. Imagine a Japanese version with more reliability, build quality and affordability it would be great.

A tuned SV in a GSXR type frame(beam) would be a baby TLR. Twins are better suited to trellis type frames anyway, KTM, Ducati, they can't be wrong.
I don't see Suzuki putting money into something that may compete against their own GSXR line up. You either want a twin or IL4, make a choice.

I agree that a sporty twin would be the way to go, very nice to have.
Cagiva did plan to release a 800cc Raptor, with their own designed engine, very TL SV looking it was. Their monetary woes put this on a very distant back burner..

With the Hairnet getting USD forks this year, the FZ6 with the tasty underseat pipes and then Kawa putting out a practical version of the Z750 you can almost see that within a few years all the budget bikes with have USD forks, capacity hikes and more bling styling. To compete they'll have to, more of these type of bikes are being sold than before. Sports bikesa are still miles ahead in the UK.

Look at the spec on a Z750, it's already at the 100BHP mark. 10 years ago it would have been a hot poop sportsbike. Now it's what the bike mags are telling us we should have if we've just passed our DAS!

Firstly we#re all talking bollox cause it ain't gonna happen....

Secondly I was using the "SV power plant in a GSXR" idea as the concept. What I'm trying to say is that the sports bodywork, running gear and suspension all exists on the GSXR range.

The SV is not and never will be a true sports twin, with or without sports fairing....

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Originally Posted by Jelster

Firstly we#re all talking bollox cause it ain't gonna happen....

Secondly I was using the "SV power plant in a GSXR" idea as the concept. What I'm trying to say is that the sports bodywork, running gear and suspension all exists on the GSXR range.

The SV is not and never will be a true sports twin, with or without sports fairing....

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Clearly a V-twin (SV engine) sports bike in a GSXR frame would be crap, it would need to have an exclusively designed chasis and more highly tuned motor.
The whole point of the bike would be to cater for people that really dont want a buzzy inline4. I dont suppose Fireblade sales dropped that much if at all when Honda introduced the SP1.

I know that in a few years when the time comes when i could afford the insurance i personally would bypass the litre 4cylinder sports bikes in favour of a viable litre V-twin alternative.

But then as my login suggests i'm a Vtwinlover

Originally Posted by Vtwinlover

Clearly a V-twin (SV engine) sports bike in a GSXR frame would be crap, it would need to have an exclusively designed chasis and more highly tuned motor.
The whole point of the bike would be to cater for people that really dont want a buzzy inline4. I dont suppose Fireblade sales dropped that much if at all when Honda introduced the SP1.

I know that in a few years when the time comes when i could afford the insurance i personally would bypass the litre 4cylinder sports bikes in favour of a viable litre V-twin alternative.

But then as my login suggests i'm a Vtwinlover

Like I said, it was a "concept". When I said "running gear" did you here me say "frame" ? I was trying to make the point that the economics are that if a manufacturer can use existing parts they will, to keep the prices down. If the front end, rear shock assy and any of the plastics can be re-used then it makes sense to do so, that all.

I'll let my input rest as it doesn't seem to make any sense to some of you....

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Originally Posted by Jelster

Like I said, it was a "concept". When I said "running gear" did you here me say "frame" ? I was trying to make the point that the economics are that if a manufacturer can use existing parts they will, to keep the prices down. If the front end, rear shock assy and any of the plastics can be re-used then it makes sense to do so, that all.

I'll let my input rest as it doesn't seem to make any sense to some of you....

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Sorry if i missunderstood Jelster, its just when you said "SV powerplant in a GSXR" I stupidly thought you meant as SV powerplant in a GSXR As a concept

I do however understand the economics, bearing in mind the switch gear and other auxiaries are currently interchangable throughout the Suzuki range.

Has to be a TLR
i rode all other v twins before i got mine and found the TL to be best of an awkward bunch,
SP1(would do my 6ft 4 back in,in no time)
RSVR(didnt like the power delivery..60 degree twin..emm maybe next time)
Duc 996(nice but emm no thanks)
TLR(heavy-yes but you dont feel the weight(you shouldnt really comment until you have ridden one),crap handling-yes if your on the edge when most people are so far away from the edge.
In my views the tlr is a great bike(im not biased am i..lol) but its comfy..not too focused,has proper full fairing,oh yeah and that 190 rear tyre..
ah well i love it!
Cheers
Dar

Yamahas v-twin stuff is limited to cruiser type stuff, but with the vmax and mt01 I reckon they could put out something more sports-oriented with an impressive torque/acceleration package... can't see them having any plans yet.

Isn't the SP2 widely regarded as one of the best, if not THE best v-twin packages out there? Including the reliablity, etc.??

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thought the vmax was a V4?