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Old 22-08-05, 09:02 PM   #31
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I'm no expert but I seem to remember someone saying tyres are only 10% less sticky in the wet...
I think that may have been 10% sticky in the wet .

Anyway it's not quite that simple as there are many factors that determine a tyres adhesion to the road in the wet, not just the water.


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No way! I'm pretty sure it was our instructors on our DAS that told us this because I was never that worried about wet riding as a result... Now I'm going to have to do some research...
Imagine you have a pair of race slicks on. There's no way they're 90% effective in the wet... The shape and depth of the tyre tread's to displace water are just two other factors that can affect it. Bear in mind you're probably not using 100% of the grip in the dry, hence you may well be able to get away with using 90% of what you use in the dry, in the wet.
you can't compare race slicks to street tires, they don't use tham in the rain, they use racing rains with deep treads

I have found no limitation of tires in the rain, limiting factor is visibility thru helmet shield
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Old 22-08-05, 09:14 PM   #32
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dont knoqw why but i like riding in rain its fun but then there is nothing like riding on a nice sunny day , and yes man hole covers suck and are always on the corners its like they want to kill us
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Old 22-08-05, 09:35 PM   #33
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yes muttley,,but if u lose the back its saveable ,,lose the front and ure pretty much ****ed,,,i use mostly back but only when its wet ,when its dry its front a lot and not a lot of back ..when im riding S L O W ive almost got the back on a wee bit constantly
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Old 22-08-05, 10:38 PM   #34
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ive saved the front after ive lost it many times

all being in a straight line tho
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Old 23-08-05, 12:27 PM   #35
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According to the DAS instructors its supposed to be 70/30 in the dry
Is that 70 front or 70 rear?

I was always told (and taught) to use (in the dry) 70 f / 30 r, as you have so much more braking power / grip through the front brake / tyre when braking.

If the rear was meant as your primary source of slowing down then surely the front disks would be smaller and larger at the rear.

I try not to touch the rear brake in wet (unless I'm doing a slow manouvere) until I have done most of my braking, as it is so much easier to lock up.
Ok, to clarify, 70% on the front and 30% on the back in the dry and 50/50% in the wet. I've never known someone to refer to backbrake first anyhoo.

According to the DAS instructors I had, you should use the back brake more in the wet. I know from personal experience, you lose the front you are ****ed, you lose the back you've got more chance of recovering it.
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Old 23-08-05, 12:30 PM   #36
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Ok, to clarify, 70% on the front and 30% on the back in the dry and 50/50% in the wet. I've never known someone to refer to backbrake first anyhoo.

According to the DAS instructors I had, you should use the back brake more in the wet. I know from personal experience, you lose the front you are f*cked, you lose the back you've got more chance of recovering it.
yeah, cuz if you do 30/70 in the dry you leave a really kewl black line down the road behind you to amuse the other bikers....
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Old 23-08-05, 01:17 PM   #37
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I have found no limitation of tires in the rain, limiting factor is visibility thru helmet shield
I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that tyres in the wet have precisely the same amount of grip and lean angle as in the dry? And that because there're rain droplets on your visor you can't see as far?




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I have found no limitation of tires in the rain, limiting factor is visibility thru helmet shield
I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that tyres in the wet have precisely the same amount of grip and lean angle as in the dry? And that because there're rain droplets on your visor you can't see as far?




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Old 23-08-05, 02:35 PM   #39
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you can't compare race slicks to street tires, they don't use tham in the rain, they use racing rains with deep treads

I have found no limitation of tires in the rain, limiting factor is visibility thru helmet shield
Precisely the point I was making: Wet racing tyres keep a higher percentage of their grip in the wet, than slicks do (hence the reason they use them). Although not as drastic a difference, various sorts of road tyres have differing tread patterns, meaning some are better in the wet (as well as the various compounds used, PSI of tyre, etc.). I was using it as an example of one of the many factors that determine grip in the wet and why any set percentage of grip for all tyres, bikes, riders, etc. is at best innaccurate (there are too many variables).
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In the rain, Northwind recommends cowardice over overconfidence By good luck i've not done vey much wet weather riding this year- well, I missed the end of winter and most of spring, so no wonder- and I've noticed I'm much, much less good in the rain now than I was this time last year- even though I would say I'm considerably better in the dry.
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