"Vision Zero" Threat to biking or MCN scaremongeri

Originally Posted by Carsick

'shrugs' depends how you view it. Multiplication and division have the same precedence so while it's written down on one line you're right. I always make the assumption that division is written as
45
__ which is the same as 45/(1*2)
1*2

in which case the precedence becomes more obvious.

Sod it.

Really? so how come I learnt it as BODMAS or PEMDAS then??

And More Crap News is getting worse. The last Biking to be banned headline related to them changing how you get your licence. Making you get more experience before you get on bigger bikes. Hardly banning biking but didnt stop them with that headline.

Revenues dropping so hey, lets get people to buy our rag. How? hmmm most have illegal cans so lets regurgitate the crap about some muppets isolated attempt at getting a bill to reduce the noise level to 74 db. I read somewhere wheelie bins on bin carts get up to 86 db's.

So then faced with what do we print now, ah the old nugget of biking to be banned cos the government want to make it harder to get your licence.

FFS. The Beano has more accurate news in it than MCN these days.

oh yes, sweden... with their great ideas on smoking... banning smoking almost everywhere but embracing those horrid cancer causing teabag things that give you mouth cancers, just cos they can use them discreetly then they don't wonder why they're illegal in most other countries...

This bike thing seems to have been thought up by the same group of mentalists - targeting one specific thing instead of looking at the real problem. Bureaucrats love it, it's the same twisted logic that drives the scamera system... but they can't actually stop it as they're too gutless, so their only option is to make it less attractive...

But our government have been doing that for years with their massive underfunding of roads, ignorance of bikers needs, total lack of special training for car drivers, bikers and medical people (it wasn't that long ago that they didn't know that pulling off your helmet after a crash could cause spine damage...) and we've ignored them and got on with it anyway.

Most bikers get into biking because they love it, not because it's easy or cheap or safe... so what can they do to put people off? (that they've not been doing for ages already). It's just another MCN scare story to sell copy...

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by lynw

Really? so how come I learnt it as BODMAS or PEMDAS then??

Just wanted to say , thanks for that. Saved me trying to remeber it all night.
>> Bracket Of Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction <jeez I'm getting real old> .

Cheers
Ben

(a) MCN scaremongering - saw the headline so didn't buy it
(b) On the Grinch calculation I think my score is 216 so...
(c) Didn't buy MCN twice today I'm so cantankerous!

Originally Posted by 21QUEST

Just wanted to say , thanks for that. Saved me trying to remeber it all night.
>> Bracket Of Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction <jeez I'm getting real old> .

Cheers
Ben

Teach computer auditing for tax inspectors. Kind of helpful if you see a formula and you need to know how Excel works it out. Helps us see if the tax is correct

I learnt it as: Brackets, Or/And logical operators, Division, Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction. And Pedmas was Parentheses, Exponents, etc
Got it wrong earlier, it is actually PEDMAS not PEMDAS. Sorry, dislexia really is a bugger

I don't currently have a running bike, but if I did I'd be at 126

very tragic

I have 2 bikes right now and I'm on 0.

Originally Posted by Carsick

I have 2 bikes right now and I'm on 0.

just be glad you dont have 0 bikes on the road.... that will be an interesting consideration....

division by 0, would that be cancelled out by multiplying by 0?? in which case if you cant divide by 0, whats 0/0??

Originally Posted by creamerybutter

In today’s MCN there is an article about "Vision Zero" a transport policy being adopted by Sweden (some details on Vision Zero here) where the goal is to reduce road deaths and injuries to zero by 2020.
The author Claes Tingvall said on TV "There is no room for motorcycles in Vision Zero. We must prevent the recruiting of new motorcyclists. Thinking long-term I regret to say motorcyclists must go" and apparently there may be pressure on the Government to adopt Vision Zero here as it will considered as international best practice although they will apparently gauge public opinion first.

What do you think real threat or like I said MCN scaremongering?

One thing I am puzzled about is motorcycles aren't the only vehicles on the road that are involved in fatal accidents and reducing fatal accidents to zero is imo not really possible.

I haven’t read the full details of the paper yet (I’m doing that now), I just wonder how this could work.

Definitely scaremongering - they have published similar stories in the past - According to several sources, the guy apparently made those comments in 1997 and then retracted them and regretted it due to the outrage that occured. Wherever you go there's always going to be people who want <xyz> banned, this is nothing new!

Anyway, Sweden has about 15% of the vehicle traffic we do - just give 'em London's traffic density and they'll be banning cars

However - sadly, I think one day we'll be forced to sit in a safety chair in a safety room doing everything with a RSI-proof safety remote control while wearing a safety jacket. The whole thing will be monitored by a safety camera making sure we don't move out of the chair too fast to get a safety newspaper with paper-cut proof safety edges.

Originally Posted by lynw

just be glad you dont have 0 bikes on the road.... that will be an interesting consideration....

division by 0, would that be cancelled out by multiplying by 0?? in which case if you cant divide by 0, whats 0/0??

If you take division as calculating the amount which gives the original value when zero is multiplied by it. In that case the answer would be undefinable.

It also depends on the numerical system - dealing with mathematical laws and theorems it would appear to be undefined, however take such a physical example as "multiplying two hundred bricks by zero" - you still have two hundred bricks!