not friendly biker places.

Originally Posted by Spiderman

TBH i get more annoyed with the stations that say bikers must prepay for fuel than those who say take your lid off. Thats really criminalising everyone one 2 wheels.

I went into a KFC the other night on way home from Soho and only wanted some wings for a little munch. They cost 99p and i had the pound in my gloved hand and put it on the counter and ordered the wings.

He refused to get em till i took my lid off, i told him he was silly to ask such a thing but if he thought i was gonna rob him then i'd wait outside for the few seconds he needs to open the till and drop the coin in.

he looked like he was gonna say "no, take it off" so i went outside. He put the money in the till and i went back in. He was really embarrsed when i said its a big pain to take lid and balaclava off as it takes more time than getting the food does.

But like someone else said, if i had robbed him then their insurnace would prolly want get out of it by saying they didnt follow the agreed procedured of asking customers to remove lids or not serving them.

I think this has become a dead end issue tho guys....wasnt this thread about biker unfriendly places as opposed to biker unfreindly security requirements?

so where the hotwings worth it ?

Originally Posted by sharriso74

Yep they're just back after going bust bought my SV from mention aftersales and it's like your talking another language. Shmae really as they're only 2 miles down the road from me. Use Garozzo's for the SV and Boyer for the trumpet much friendlier

glad somone agrees....there close to me and the mrs stewboys place so would be handy ......still Hien gereke are just on the high street and the service is 1st class

[northwind]

I meant to say this earlier... I used to work customer facing in a bank, and from time to time a biker would come in wearing a lid... I always made a point of making sure it was me that asked them to take it off, because I knew that other staff would demand it rudely instead of asking politely. it's all in the way you ask.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

If having to be identifiable to CCTV in the name of crime prevention, then your beleifs are irrelivent.

Not at all, it's a question of degrees. It's similiar to sikhs and hard hats/bike lids- it's reasonable to require that we wear lids all the time, because at worst we don't like doing it. It's not reasonable to expect a hardcore sikh to remove the (whatsit, turban thing) because it's absolutely fundamental to their belief system and self respect.

Just don't use the fuel stations that want you to remove your lid. I hate it and won't do it, more out of principal really.

And back to the thread.... Isn't North Wales biker unfriendly ?

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[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by bikageboy

so where the hotwings worth it ?

Hell yeh but i should have got 6 tbh Must remember to keep a £2 coin for this fridays ride home.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

If you commute year round and choose to remove your lid, fair play to you. But my comment was aimed at Skip, who doesn't.

Fair...

Still think I would tho if I did... Easy to say that when I dont, but....

Originally Posted by northwind

Why do you take out your earplugs? If you're happy to go into the station with a lid on and plugs in, why not do it with a lid off and plugs still in?

I've had someone (with elocution that a rural drunk with a cleft palete would be ashamed of) complain when I asked them to repeat themselves. They spotted the plugs and said it was rude of me not to take them out when talking to them. So, if I remove one (the lid), I may as well go the whole hog.

Originally Posted by northwind

And talking about the burqa's a real straw man IMO, there's a difference between a fundamental religious belief, and a slight inconvenience.

I disagree. What if you're a devout aetheist (for the record, I'm not and yes, I spotted the oxymoron in "devout aetheist" ) and have no respect for religion at all? Should your personal security/right to life be threatened for someone else's religious beliefs? The reason why someone obscures their face isn't really relevant to me. If it's so important (personally, I don't think it is), there should be a law that stipulates you must remove anything obscuring your face (which of course, would get silly- what about beards, baseball caps, hoods, shades, etc.) before entering a store of any sort.

As to the argument about CCTV for card fraud, I recognise that you work in a bank and are likely to be in the know about this, but surely with the advent of chip and pin, this too is irrelevant? If someone has a nicked card, they'd just get the cash out of a cashpoint (with their face obscured in some way), rather than chance it in a shop?

Originally Posted by northwind

TBH I just reckon its bad manners to go into any shop with your lid on... Don't get me wrong, it annoys me as much as anyone else when shops are rude about taking your lid off, but for me that's a different issue- the most reasonable request in the world can cause offence if the person behind it's rude enough.

That's part of my problem. I've never, not once, been asked politely to remove my lid. The polite people aren't normally the unpleasent, petty ones who want you too. It's typically a sour faced grumpy old cow who sees your lack of immediate complicity to the garbled "rwwwmvw wwur wwwmet!" over the tannoy as tantamount to robbery, who demands it as you enter the shop, which makes me all the more inclined not to.

If it's late at night and there's no one else around, I'll remove my lid without being asked, purely out of courtesy to avoid causing the attendant (particularly if they're female) any unease. That's what it is though; an act of courtesy, and not one I'm obligated to do all the time. If I'm clutching my tesco clubcard in one hand and my wallet in the other and politely waiting in queue, in the middle of the day, with a dozen people on the forecourt, only a fool would think I was about to ride off without paying and/or rob the place.

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

I got asked to remove my lid when at my local swimming baths!? What's that all about then?

Have you seen the cold sore medicine advert where that girl goes swimming (as well as to a party and the office) in a bike helmet?

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

I disagree. What if you're a devout aetheist (for the record, I'm not and yes, I spotted the oxymoron in "devout aetheist" ) and have no respect for religion at all? Should your personal security/right to life be threatened for someone else's religious beliefs? The reason why someone obscures their face isn't really relevant to me. If it's so important (personally, I don't think it is), there should be a law that stipulates you must remove anything obscuring your face (which of course, would get silly- what about beards, baseball caps, hoods, shades, etc.) before entering a store of any sort.

That's what I was trying to say

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

That's part of my problem. I've never, not once, been asked politely to remove my lid.

There is a Thresers off license next door to the petrol station that i regularly use. I popped in there once as the forecourt shop didnt have what i needed and the slightly rock-chick looking girl behind the till said "I know its a pain cos i ride a bike myself, but would you mind taking your lid off. If my bosses review the CCTV tape i'll get into a lot of trouble. Sorry but i have to ask everyone who comes in to do it"

So nice, polite and fair. Cos she rides herself so appreciates the agro involved. Months later i went in there again, forgetting what she had said before, and she was just as calm and polite as the firt time. When i had the lid off she even said she remembered me and was that a new lid i had. It was too.

Weeks later as i passed the shop i was very very VERY gutted to see a big yellow Met Police sign outside asking for witnesses. You know the type.
Yup, there had been an armed robbery.

Poor girl, i hope she was off that day and it was someone else in there.

Point i'm making is that it'll happen no matter what effort they put into asking non crims to comply. Crims just dont.... erm kinda part of the job innit.