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Old 23-03-06, 04:44 PM   #31
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Maybe it's so all those in front will pick up any punctures that are going to happen.
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Old 23-03-06, 04:51 PM   #32
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There was a rather 'spirited' discussion on the Ecosse Posse board on the subject of rideout etiquette. This is a relevant extract

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RIDING IN GROUPS
by Ex. Insp. Kevin Fitzpatrick, in consultation with: Phil Curtis and Andy Morrison
Thames Valley Police Driving School


General

All of us love getting together with our friends and riding out on our bikes for either the day or the weekend, perhaps even longer. Whether it's a day at the coast or five days in the Black Forest in Germany the enjoyment is the same. Planning the route, sorting out the kit, prepping the bike and so on is all part of the fun. We all love it but are we always aware how easily it can end in tears?

I hate to say it but in the past few years there have been an increasing number of accidents (including fatal accidents) involving people riding in groups. Quite often the victim is either a newcomer to biking or someone who has only recently joined the group. Sometimes the group itself is new or had only got together for one ride.

Whatever the cause, with a few simple precautions and some common sense rules the run can not only be made safer but much more fun for all concerned. We have prepared the following to help organisers, who may be new to running trips, to plan a run with the benefit of other peoples (sometimes painful!) experiences.

A book such as 'Motorcyclists Welcome' by Peter Gleave is an invaluable asset when organising trips if you wish to ensure that your accomodation will be suitable for groups of motorcyclists and that secure parking is available. The added benefit that can be had is a photocopy of the page containing details of the location to which they're heading.

Route Planning

Whether you are looking for the quickest, motorway based route or a more challenging ride through the countryside you need to think about where you are going to make stops and to sort out rendezvous points in case you all get split up.

When making these plans you need to consider the comfortable range of all the bikes on the trip as well as the ability of the riders to ride for long distances.

To avoid mishap it is a good idea to give everyone a copy of:

the route to be taken (list of roads and/or a route map)
stopping places / rv points
each others mobile phone numbers
If someone does go astray they are less likely to get worried or do stupid things to catch up if they know where they are supposed to be heading and how to make contact with the rest of the group.



The Running Order

This is critical to get right if you want a safe and successful run for the whole gang so this point is worth spending some time on.

You often hear it said that you should put the slowest bike out in front - but think for a minute what will happen if you do that. The slowest one is frequently one of the least experienced riders on a less than quick bike, does he or she really want the responsibility of leading the way? What about the perceived pressure from those behind to 'get a move on!'? Or conversely, do the others really want to be stuck behind Timmy Slowcoach for the whole trip? Some fun that would be!

The reality is that it never happens. The group may start out with the slowest in front but pretty soon some of the others get fed up, start overtaking each other, blatting off and before you know it it's all gone to rats and you never get them together again this side of Christmas!

If, like me, you've found yourself at the ferry port waiting and wondering if the others are ever going to show up (especially the bloke with the tickets!) you'll know that this scenario is to be avoided like the plague!

So what is the best order to ride in?

Well for a start the leader/navigator should be out in front. He or she should have studied and be familiar with the route and should have the riding skills and the bike to make reasonable progress.

At the back you need a 'sweeper'. This should be an experienced member of the team (or a pair of good riders) on a big, reliable bike - one with a turn of speed if required. This rider should, like the leader, also be familiar with the route to be taken and should, if possible, have a mobile phone or other means of communication. The job of the sweeper is to look out for stragglers or break -downs and to make sure no-one gets left behind or has an accident without being noticed.

Between the leader and the sweeper you can afford to spread out a bit. Usually riders will pair up with people they know and little sub groups can form - not a problem if everybody is still singing from the same song sheet. As a rule it is best to keep the newer riders well up towards the front where they can be a bit protected by their more experienced companions.



Rules of the Road

When out on the road there are two golden rules for a successful group run and these need agreeing by everyone before the start:

No overtaking each other without prior planning and
Ride to the bike behind you not the one in front
There is nothing more likely to break up a group of riders than Tommy Teararse getting a cob on in the middle of the pack and burning off past everyone with one or two of the quicker bikes in hot pursuit.

Okay, it's their trip as well and you've no right to demand that they ride along with everybody else the whole time. What is fair though is that they wait for the stop then let you know they are going to be having a 'blat' on the next stage of the journey. You can then warn the rest that a couple of riders will be out of the group for a while and you can arrange to meet up at the next stop.

'Riding to the bike behind' is more serious and is the key to the whole concept of good group riding.

Basically, one of the main causes of accidents is when the riders in the group play 'follow my leader' and constantly try to keep up with the bike in front. You often see riders towards the back of a group doing stupid things like overtaking on white lines, flying into blind bends, speeding in the most inappropriate places and even jumping red lights in an effort to catch up.

This can easily be avoided, without having to crawl along in a big group, if you just keep the bike behind you in your mirrors all the time. That way you can make as much progress as you like and only need slow down or stop if you can't see that bike for any extended period. Certainly, never turn left or right or deviate from the 'ahead' course without being sure that the follower has seen you.

By exercising this simple technique you will be amazed how you can enjoy the higher speed runs along more challenging roads without having to sacrifice the group concept.
Worth paying any heed too folks?
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Old 23-03-06, 04:54 PM   #33
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the marker system is fine and works well, the only trouble is you need thoughs participating to be aware of how it works, you can't "ride with your mate" in the group, or you have to have a core of riders who systematically work their way to the front in order to do it, it's more for larger rideouts.
In the case of AR05, a core of riders who did just that formed about halfway round. I'm not quite sure why, but it worked out well for me.
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Old 23-03-06, 06:52 PM   #34
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[quote="Scooby Drew"]There was a rather 'spirited' discussion on the Ecosse Posse board on the subject of rideout etiquette. This is a relevant extract

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Old 23-03-06, 06:58 PM   #35
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I go at the back to make sure I am behind !! scoobs...

dunno really- cud be wot E.D says ... maybe its shyness...

or ya dont want folk see ya dabbin the brakes every 2 secs!!...


I think it owrked really really well with the markers on corners at ar05 so everyone ended up at the back at somepoint

and the middle

and the front ...
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Old 23-03-06, 07:07 PM   #36
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I go at the back but make sure I am nowhere near Scoobs's behind !!
Smart move mate! :P
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