Pulled Over, WHY ?

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Well i'm a copper and to be honest there's alot of people in this job who THINK they know the law and act on it when they don't know the correct law-advice I would give if in future your stopped for similar ask the cop what legislation he's stopping you under(be polite please!)-if he can answer you straight away without hesitating and stammering odds are he's 100%on it-on the other hand if he's mumbling and not to sure I'd be asking him for his number and informing him that I was going to contact his office and ask for an explanation from his bosses on why I was stopped and under what legislation.
I find that most people are understanding about being stopped aslong as your polite and talk to them and not down at them.
We're not all bad-some of us are even mad .

Well that is a piece of sensible advice from a copper. Well done!

When i worked at Hein Gericke, we were told that if a customer asked about this flip up leagality thing, we are to say that the lid should be used with the chin guard in place i.e shut, and that to ride with it open is ileagle, something about them not being tested whilst open, and also if you are riding at any sort of speed, they can be dangerous as the air can force the head back obscuring field of view and they have been known to fly off the helmet... in extreme cases. also the lock in place meachanism is not always the most secure thing and the chin guard can fall down. the other thinking is that you have to cover your field of vision, if only slightly, when you put the chin gurad / visor down. these are not my opinions... just what i was taught. to be honest i think you had a picky officer that pulled you, but he was right to do so in the eyes of the law i'm affraid.

At the end of the day, as mentioned below, you have the facility to ride with a full face helmet... you may as well use it... it aint pretty what happens if you don't

hope this helps

Sammy

[Stu]

Originally Posted by silent

stu i suspect that if you look at P.A.C.E. you will find that police are allowed to detain on the suspicion of a criminal offence taking place and are allowed to detain for as long as their enquiries take. i dont know this for certain but i can make an educated guess. however i believe it would have been wise for them to arrange transport home for the guy themselves or expect a bill to land on the duty sergents desk explaining why they have a need to be compensated and i expect that would be paid.

PACE is the police and criminal evidence act.

not all coppers are muppets, although some are. They are trying to do their job and as with all of us they have different ways of going about it.

Personally stopping the guy with no lights is legit, i would give him a producer and allow him on his way though. However stopping the guy with the lid flipped up i would do in order to advise of the danger you are putting yourself in...if you have full face facility use it, it aint worth the mess if you have a crash to have it up...

Anyway a long winded and possibly not altogether on topic response completed!!

Andy

Thanks for the answer - makes sense.

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

I think the copper was right for the reason Jelster said. That said, I've seen plentyb of coppers with their lid

You might like to consider an Airoh TR1. They have a removable chin bar and as far as I'm aware they're legal with the chin bar removed (open face), as well as with it in place (full face helmet).

They look the mutt's nutts too.

The Caberg Justissimo is also supplied with a conversion pack in the box to make the helmet open faced and the paperwork says nothing about any legal problems.

BTW- Strathclyde Police also use Shoei flips.....

Cheers,

Garry

I thought the law was clear on this It is illegal to ride with your visor up on any sort of lid.

If your helmet can be fitted with a visor then there must be one fitted and, where fitted it, must be used.

Open-face helmets are only legal without a visor where one cannot be fitted.

Roof Boxers can be used in open-face mode provided that the visor is down.

All the other flip-fronts where the visor lifts with the chin guard cannot legally be used with the front flipped. Coppers with their Shoei Synchrotecs and BMW flip-fronts who ride like that are breaking the law.

Don't ask me for a reference, though

Please ignore the above post as it is almost certainly complete ********

Couldn't find any references last night to support what I wrote

Originally Posted by Jabba

Please ignore the above post as it is almost certainly complete ********

Couldn't find any references last night to support what I wrote

Why has my post been removed?

Jabba, you are talking ******** BTW.

Originally Posted by Jabba

I thought the law was clear on this It is illegal to ride with your visor up on any sort of lid.

If your helmet can be fitted with a visor then there must be one fitted and, where fitted it, must be used.

Open-face helmets are only legal without a visor where one cannot be fitted.

Roof Boxers can be used in open-face mode provided that the visor is down.

All the other flip-fronts where the visor lifts with the chin guard cannot legally be used with the front flipped. Coppers with their Shoei Synchrotecs and BMW flip-fronts who ride like that are breaking the law.

Don't ask me for a reference, though

Here you go, just to prove that you are (again) wrong.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ds_506862.hcsp

There is no law with regards to having you're visor up or down.

How would it be policed if there were?


Oh, BMW don't make helmets either.

Originally Posted by SV1000s

There is no law with regards to having you're visor up or down.

How would it be policed if there were?

By the Police, like they do with exhausts, small plates, etc?

Originally Posted by SV1000s

Oh, BMW don't make helmets either.

Pedant :P

I suppose I should have said "BMW-brand helmets".

Made by Shuberth, aren't they?

Originally Posted by Jabba

By the Police, like they do with exhausts, small plates, etc?

Pedant :P

I suppose I should have said "BMW-brand helmets".

Made by Shuberth, aren't they?

So, if in the winter you were misting up and going through a town at 10 mph you can't open your visor because it's 'illegal'?

Think about it and read the link I posted instead of having posts deleted.

And it's not pedantic, what you said was wrong, just like the visor bull****.