Saddam Headlines

[Supervox]

Originally Posted by Ed

Agreed.

Part 2 - Those who signed Charles's death warrant came to a sticky end. On Cromwell's death there was no obvious successor - his son turned out to be unsuitable - weak, vain etc. So, after a lot of political machinations, came about the Restoration of Charles's son, Charles II, in 1660. He had been in exile in France - remember that his mother, Henrietta Maria, was French. Signatories who hadn't died or been murdered in the Interregnum were rounded up in this new political era, and themselves executed as Regicides.

Well history might repeat itself, you never know.

Ed

If I remember my history correctly, they also dug up some who had died so that they could display them in those hanging iron cages until they completely rotted away - just to make an example of them

Supervox - entirely true.

You'd be good to fone a friend

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

I read in the independant tpoday that the british and germans and probably a few other countries supplied Saddam with the chemicals nessacery for him to produce his chemical warfare agents...

...so does that make us partly to blame for the atrocities saddam commited?

Matt

You can kind of extrapolate responsibility from there, with countries sales or gifts all arms to all "undesirable" regimes / movements.

You can continue to extrapolate all the way down to the scientists that come up with the ideas for these weapons.

You can assign blame to each link of the chain.

(Entirely reasonably and correctly IMO.)

[Stingo]

Who?

Talkin' about regicide...Charles II was more interested in his slappers than revenge for his daddy's head chopping.

A name sake of mine who signed the execution order managed to make it to USA.
The USA may not have been the USA back then but you get my drift.

At least it was an Iraqi court with Iraqi law with an Iraqi judge.

Not like Nuremberg where the Soviets were more guilty than the Germans!

Originally Posted by Gmonsta

End of next week - cant wait.

As a citizen of the USA, I wish this were the case. I wish that Bush would be impeached for the things that he has does. Bush, IMHO, is a very selfish self serving man. He is the complete opposite of what any country needs leading them.

PhilipMac and Alpinestarhero have discussions going about where the blame falls for supporting Saddam, but really that lies on the US governments hands as well. Saddam was put in place by the US government, which is something that no one really talks about. It's all cr@p if you ask me.

Blame the US for Iraq??? Hmph...






... oh yeah. They are to blame. No, I think that's sort of what aplinestars and myself were doing. Just not limiting blame to them.

So, I am not a citizen of the US, but I live here.
What I have noticed, like no other country I have been in (and I have spent time in a few places), is the powerlessness that most people feel over their government.

People, well, essentially everyone I meet are mortified and disgusted by Bush. There are protests, there are talk shows, and films, and Documentaries on HBO and things, but no one feels like they have any control over whats happening here. Everyone just shakes their head, say its a dark time, and ring their hands a bit.

There is no question that he should be impeached, that they should be out on their ear, but, amazingly enough, they win election after election.

And I think they will probably win this one coming up.
I think I know why. The Republican party is clearly a xenophobic, fear mongering, lowest common denominator sort of group. They have attached the idea that they are defending the country against non christian values, and you are a pussy if you dont vote for them.
Once you get this idea buried into peoples heads, then it becomes hard to vote against them, because what you are told is you are voting against God, and voting against keeping the US safe (from these unknown mysterious foreign people). Since the vast majority of US people dont have passports (~82%),, let alone have ever stepped outside the country, these foreign people are free to be scary.

Bush is still in power because he does what he's told. You don't get to be El Presidente unless you're going to do what you're told. The thing about Bush is, he's so stupid he probably doesn't even know others are simply pulling his strings. What an idiot. It'll be hard for them to find a President as easy to manipulate as him, but they always seem to come through in the end. I'll miss him for the comedy, but that's about it.

And yeah, not all of the blame can be put on the Americans. But about 95% of it can.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

I thought we were there already

My point is that it wasn't our place to "rise up against" Saddam, or anywhere else.

Their country, their laws, their problem to solve by themselves.

Look at this countries history on human rights - try being a woman at the turn of last century, or black or irish at the middle of it, or gay at the end of it.

We managed to get through those things, and sort it out, why should we force it on other countries.

Its like when we are teenagers and we get told that we should work hard at school and that those years "are the best of our lives" - how many here wish they could go back to those days with what they know now, and how much better it would be. However, everyone of us would remember how we didn't listen, and when you try and tell a kid that now, just like you then the dont listen or understand.

Our way of life isnt that spectacular - old people die because they cant afford to heat their houses, people sleep on the streets, muggers and rapists exsist and get away with it.

Lets clean our own house first before sweeping out others

Very well put David.

And this is also very much hitting the nail on the head...

Originally Posted by UlsterSV

Bush is still in power because he does what he's told. You don't get to be El Presidente unless you're going to do what you're told. The thing about Bush is, he's so stupid he probably doesn't even know others are simply pulling his strings. What an idiot. It'll be hard for them so find a President as easy to manipulate as him, but they always seem to come through in the end. I'll miss him for the comedy, but that's about it.

And yeah, not all of the blame can be put on the Americans. But about 95% of it can.

Do you know what I like about Ulster...

He can say literally anything about any issue. You never have a clue where is he going to come from.