Asbo

To move the subject away from farms...

We used to play on bikes in a school grounds (outside of school hours & no-one else was around). I've even still now got the marks from concrete burns I suffered in an off (I was a kid, naturally proper gear didn't come into the equation), and a number of times, my friends have come running over to me thinking that I'd just killed myself.

Whenever I did any damage to me, completely my fault. My parents also saw it this way (and as such I got grounded for being injured - which is fair enough IMO). No legal action towards anyone.

All that stopped when the local plod started turning up on bikes as well

We did no real harm to anyone or the land/buildings, but I do accept that it was still technically wrong. But then, I did a lot of things that weren't right when I was a kid. ASBO's didn't exist back then, and it was never pushed too far.

So why do the kids of today push things so far? We never would of, and not for fear, mainly for respect.

[timwilky]

The problem is with "Waste land" that today we have a blame/claim culture and a nanny state that tells people that they have a right to be protected from harming themselves.

Whilst I accept that you all know that any harm that befalls you is of your own making and you are solely responsible and would never consider making a claim against the owner of the land. Unfortunately this is not the case of the many scroats who inhabit this country. Whilst the claims are frivalous there are still costs involved in defending them and increasing insurance premiums. if you little 8 year old falls down a quarry face because somebody has smashed up the fence to get a dirt bike there, who are you going to blame. Your child or the land owner for not maintaining the fence.

Sorry if I sound a killjoy, but the fact is many dirt bikers are a real problem, you may not cause damage, but many take advantage of the damage others have done.

Tim. You have good points, and I can only speak for the way i chose to behave, you obviously have experience of inconsiderate off roaders. We shall have to agree to disagree. ( although if my 8 year old were close to a quarry face, fence or no fence, he would get a b*llocking from me)!

From my point of view it's all about balance. I also disagree with this nanny state, and that could well be the larger issue here.

Anyway, I will be sure not to bike on your ground, you being a gun owner and all that

Originally Posted by Tomcat

( although if my 8 year old were close to a quarry face, fence or no fence, he would get a b*llocking from me)!

Agreed, my folks took the view that if I chose to do anything & got injured as a result, it was my fault. That's one value I have definately taken from them!

I was fortunate … ‘when I were a lad’ I used to live in the {farmers voice} country and my best mate at school, his dad owned a farm … so I spent most of my yoof playing on bikes on his dads land … his dad took the view that at least he knew where we were and we also knew which bits were ‘working’ land and therefore where not to go … everyone was happy!!

I fully agree with timwilky, people need to respect private property, simple as that …

But as Tomcat was saying with a bit of common sense, although it is still naughty, no harm is really done … so who really cares? It is also a shame that the blame culture makes these situations more muddy (pardon the pun ) than they should be …

I am not saying what I did was right, but I made a judgement call on the impact and I felt no harm was done … but I also accept that I got caught and I got a slapped wrist … that’s fair enough

FYI I’d never dream of ripping across some ‘working’ land on a bike … again, having grown up around people that make a living from the land, I have respect for that ...

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

I was fortunate … ‘when I were a lad’ I used to live in the {farmers voice} country and my best mate at school, his dad owned a farm … so I spent most of my yoof playing on bikes on his dads land … his dad took the view that at least he knew where we were and we also knew which bits were ‘working’ land and therefore where not to go … everyone was happy!!

I fully agree with timwilky, people need to respect private property, simple as that …

But as Tomcat was saying with a bit of common sense, although it is still naughty, no harm is really done … so who really cares? It is also a shame that the blame culture makes these situations more muddy (pardon the pun ) than they should be …

I am not saying what I did was right, but I made a judgement call on the impact and I felt no harm was done … but I also accept that I got caught and I got a slapped wrist … that’s fair enough

FYI I’d never dream of ripping across some ‘working’ land on a bike … again, having grown up around people that make a living from the land, I have respect for that ...

If you keep this up I am going to have to take the asbo off ya and give it too a more worthy lout

August last year, four of us having a larf on mini-moto's on an old closed road.. closest house about 3 miles away. Had been there for half an hour when the plod showed up saying that one of us had tried to run a bloke over! we had not seen anyone on the road since we arrived. Plod tried to give us a telling off for it, 2 of us had arrived on bike's so had all the gear on and were the 2 caught on the moto's when they arrived. After the usuall name's and where do you stay lark, they radio'd in to see who the bloke was complaining about.. answer came back.. A dark blue Corsa with 2 people in it Mate's car was a blue Proton with 2 blokes in, and 2 bikes sitting there
Ended up that the bloke had a near miss with the plod's unmarked car that was spying on us looning about in the middle of nowhere

Originally Posted by Tomcat

If you keep this up I am going to have to take the asbo off ya and give it too a more worthy lout

Oh, but I so desperately want to be cool!!

Here what if I told you I was riding without a lid

Speaking of living in the country. My best friend is in a farming family, spent many hours racing around fields, only problem is that he had a DT125 and I had a suzuki GP100 that I found in my uncles shed and brought for £40.

It probably had the slickest tires I have ever seen which resulted in lots of accidents

Ahh all the good times......

Originally Posted by Rich_UK

Speaking of living in the country. My best friend is in a farming family, spent many hours racing around fields, only problem is that he had a DT125 and I had a suzuki GP100 that I found in my uncles shed and brought for £40.

It probably had the slickest tires I have ever seen which resulted in lots of accidents

Ahh all the good times......

Thats all good ... I was ragging around (over the years) on a combination of Yamaha Pasola ... CB125J (most use/longest lived of all these bikes) ... C90 ... MT5 (60cc (65cc?) big bore ) ... er ... oh and some peddle moped thingy ... moblette?? My mate had a TL125 ... which I blagged the odd go on ... but as you can see apart from the MT5, none of mine were really suitable for offroad!! It was still cracking fun and I learnt so much