The cost of living

[tigersaw]

What seems fishy to me is that the governemnt finds it nescessary to tax us to death, cant supply even the most basic services like free dental care, but can suddenly find £50,000,000,000 to bail out a bank!

Originally Posted by Xan173

My point is you get what you settle for. Meaning either "if you need more pay go out and get more" OR "if you resent the tax situation then vote accordingly (or emigrate)".

Who can we vote for? It's either the Eton **** who thinks he's 'hip' because he was the president of the Cambridge University Nummamorous Team or the champagne socialist **** who preaches his aim to rid society of greed before being swallowing up ?500k a year in makeup expenses.

Both will preach their religion (with particular emphasis on anything sexual being evil), spend fortunes on reviews, achieve nothing and then be discovered ****ing a scout before blaming 'evil' and expecting forgiveness and a six figure autobiography figure.

In the 80s we showed the government it's our country they're running by refusing to pay poll tax; now they've got the media so hooked up to show us films of elderly women going to jail for not paying council tax it's no wonder everybody has been scared in to a corner they're not willing to fight from.

We've had spy-chips in wheelie bins, fake government reports that took us to war, police covering up manslaughter, troops left disabled without any support, businessmen buying their way in to government power, endless political figure scandals, lies and deceit.

We've got a 1984 CCTV nation; with speed cameras, congestion cameras face scanners; they've even got microphones! And don't forget criminals held illegally, a **** NHS, millions of illegal immigrants, a massive amount of tax on everything, repeatedly again and again. A nation where the criminal rules, debt spirals, and a population living in it oppressed to a state of constant fear; fear of criminals, fear of police, fear of debt, fear of their health.

Every day we lose another freedom and with that freedom goes the recognition of what it's like to be free. Every ban turns us in to a nation of cowards always willing to **** on your neighbour because he's doing something you're not allowed to do but you'd like to. We're all becoming scared which stop us reaching out to help others, closing our doors in order to protect ourselves first.

I'd love to think we're headed the right way but I don't see the people protesting the way we did in the 80s. They've shaped us so perfectly that they now have a licence to do whatever the hell they want with no fear of attack from us.

I just get grumpy when I'm hungry

Originally Posted by laMon

your GF lives here? that is blooming far from South Wales, is it a telepathic relationship? pmsl
Mine is the same council

if you want a good debate, best on the waves, listen to Nick Ferrari on at 7am weekdays http://www.lbc.co.uk/article.asp?id=26153

Yeah on station road. It's better than last year, I was living in Manchester!

I've give that link a whirl

[Rich]

People have plenty of choice nowadays. Your not bound to one thing all your life, years ago you either worked on a farm, down the pits or carried on the work of your father.

I could have chosen to go to uni but i didn't fancy studying for a degree and end up stacking shelfs at Tesco. About 60% of the people i know that have gone through uni have a degree and arent using it.

So i decided to do and apprenticeship, i was on £65 a week for a few years and the £100 a week for my final year (working hard throughout). Now i'm qualified i have the potential to earn £35,000 a year.

For you Dizzy your still working towards the big pay out, if you get the right job and work hard, it will come, moaning about it on here isn't going to help.

Yeh the cost of living is going up faster than wages i know, perhaps we should work as hard as our great grand fathers ect, mine i know used to struggle to put food on the table. Now we have all these things we have to have, that really we don't.

I think we just take too much for granted these days. Most of the things we pay for are our choice and Tax is there for a reason. It's all good moaning but without it we wouldn't have the tarmac we ride on.

Originally Posted by 1RichSV650

People have plenty of choice nowadays. Your not bound to one thing all your life, years ago you either worked on a farm, down the pits or carried on the work of your father.

I could have chosen to go to uni but i didn't fancy studying for a degree and end up stacking shelfs at Tesco. About 60% of the people i know that have gone through uni have a degree and arent using it.

So i decided to do and apprenticeship, i was on £65 a week for a few years and the £100 a week for my final year (working hard throughout). Now i'm qualified i have the potential to earn £35,000 a year.

For you Dizzy your still working towards the big pay out, if you get the right job and work hard, it will come, moaning about it on here isn't going to help.

Yeh the cost of living is going up faster than wages i know, perhaps we should work as hard as our great grand fathers ect, mine i know used to struggle to put food on the table. Now we have all these things we have to have, that really we don't.

I think we just take too much for granted these days. Most of the things we pay for are our choice and Tax is there for a reason. It's all good moaning but without it we wouldn't have the tarmac we ride on.

The tarmac our grandfathers tax put on the road? A road is relayed on average every 74 years.

I made clear earlier up the post I'm not talking about my particular situation, I'm putting up with it for a reason. I was pointing out the fact that so much can be taken away from you before you can provide for yourself.

As for how it used to be doesn't bother me. In the old days their winters were colder, summers hotter, skies bluer, work harder and apples bigger along with creme eggs of course. It's impossible to gauge a perspective, speak to someone in their later years on a level and they think we go through hell.

Comparing us to miners is like comparing ourselves to slaves; it was never a job, it was the birth of our government learning how to exploit us.

Farmers outside of the 'modern' world in Mongolia, South Pacific, Indonesia have a 'hard' life when you're observing them through your TV eating a microwaveable meal. But for these people to outlive us suggests a somewhat different tale; that our life punishes your body, that mental turmoil can kill you. Tax IS there for a reason but when 80% of your wages go back to the government it is YOUR responsibility as an intelligent human to ask the ques.........oh sorry..... there's a article about who Simon Cowells latest fling is I'll just read instead.

Not aimed at you rich

[Rich]

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

The tarmac our grandfathers tax put on the road? A road is relayed on average every 74 years.

It's quiet well looked after this side of the bridge.

I made clear earlier up the post I'm not talking about my particular situation, I'm putting up with it for a reason. I was pointing out the fact that so much can be taken away from you before you can provide for yourself.

I know i just aired my thoughts.

As for how it used to be doesn't bother me. In the old days their winters were colder, summers hotter, skies bluer, work harder and apples bigger along with creme eggs of course. It's impossible to gauge a perspective, speak to someone in their later years on a level and they think we go through hell.

They had hard times for different reasons, it's been down to us for the rise in house prices that caused them to rise for example. If we didn't want them no dought the prices would fall, as is the case for flats at the moment. Greed also springs to mind.

Comparing us to miners is like comparing ourselves to slaves; it was never a job, it was the birth of our government learning how to exploit us.

Miners get paid for work, Slaves Don't. If your thinking along them lines then we are all slaves to the government.

Farmers outside of the 'modern' world in Mongolia, South Pacific, Indonesia have a 'hard' life when you're observing them through your TV eating a microwaveable meal. But for these people to outlive us suggests a somewhat different tale; that our life punishes your body, that mental turmoil can kill you. Tax IS there for a reason but when 80% of your wages go back to the government it is YOUR responsibility as an intelligent human to ask the ques.........oh sorry..... there's a article about who Simon Cowells latest fling is I'll just read instead.

Not aimed at you rich

It's all good fun

[tigersaw]

Originally Posted by 1RichSV650

years ago you either worked on a farm, down the pits or carried on the work of your father.

Or joined the forces, came out with a skill. Not sure thats even an option nowadays.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tigersaw

Or joined the forces, came out with a skill. Not sure thats even an option nowadays.

Good point, yeh still goes on my cousin had the choice to serve his term with the forces and then get trained in an area of his choice. Engineering ect. He was stupid enough to leave early therefore losing his opportunity.

I think the main issue all us here work dam hard for everything we have, I work bloody hard to enjoy my bike and I'm sure all you guys do as well.

What the issuse is that we all pay a lot of tax and see very little benfit for it, I noitce now that I pay a hell of a lot more for the basic things in life before I get to have fun. When I started driving in 98, petrol cost 56.9/litre what the hell its double now

Trust me public services are suffering from lack of investment across the board, it affects all of us. I would really like know how our money, your money is being spent becasue sure ain't going on what we need.

The people reposniable for this should be chanllenged and be made totally accountable for the waste and be dealt with, prison if it is found they have acted outside the law.

I don't think it is right that we pay in and see very little return.

What happens when my generation retiries, or will we? There will be no public pension that would have been spent a long time ago. So why am I paying for this when I won't see a penny, this time bomb that is gonna go off. What happens then

The age paymid in this country is inverted by the time I reach about 40, they will be more people retired than working, with any ever decearsing skill base in the UK this is a huge problem with no anwser present by the clowns that pretend to run the country.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but the clowns in power need to get a grip, when I saw V for Veneatta I though I hope I never live like that, umm we now have shout towers FFS what is going on?

I'm not sure what say, but its not looking great it it?

In the mean time I plan take what ever I can get and have fun Thats what I'm here for......

[Rich]

One thing thats does annoy me about fuel tax though is seeing an ever growing profit for the providers. Shell are reported to make £1.5 million an hour. AN HOUR . But we're still stupid enough to pay it, or have we got to the point where we don't care, or we have no choice.