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I've got another thought, are you getting paid the same as all the other benefit cheats? (not aimed at you blue) If so thats sh!t, you've worked since 12 built up a career and now you find yourself out of work for whatever reason and your only getting the same money as them. Surely the more you work the more you should be entitled to, almost like building up your pension i suppose. Your bound to have more outgoings than a 20 year old whos known nothing except living off £60 a week. We're all getting robbed i tell ye!!

"PERSONALLY.....(This a forum after all, discussion, oppinions etc......)"

From what i've read, people are biting at you Blue because they think you're taking advantage of a system that is just a safety net, and good for them/us. Just because you qualify on paper doesn't mean it's there for the taking. I thought this system was for people who need money because they "can't" find work? You may be qualified on paper to take it, but morally you don't deserve it if you chose to give up work, then put your hand out?


How many times have you complained about the taxes you pay, for petrol (general tax example) especially given this is petrolhead forum, remember that next time you pick your cheque up! You don't come across as a layabout but you are taking advantage of the same system as these type of people, costing every tax payer more each year!

What makes you any better than anyone else that has to suffer in a poor job to pay bills while they look elsewhere for work? Do you spend your days off M-F 9-5 considering options for work i wonder?

http://www.dsdni.gov.uk/index/ssa/be...neral_info.htm

Figuring out what to do in life isn't in the listed criteria here.....

No offence mate, quite an interesting debate!

If Benefit Scrounging is OK for the Royal Family then fair enuf for anyone else.....grab wot yer can.....they will only waste it on something else anyway......and I mean this in a Capitalist Free Market kinda way - NOT in a lefty nanny state manner

Apart from the Beer money, also a good idea to keep yer Stamp up to date, a few months here and there over the years do add up.


I am guessing they do have a few tricks to stop folk deliberately b#ggering up interviews - yer may need to be inventive........But you may be in the right place for help on that one .........and if they were that bright would not be working for the Govt....most of the folk in the Dole office are probably receiving benefits themselves.

Me? I don't take anything from HMG.

Originally Posted by TheStudent

How many times have you complained about the taxes you pay, for petrol (general tax example) especially given this is petrolhead forum, remember that next time you pick your cheque up! You don't come across as a layabout but you are taking advantage of the same system as these type of people, costing every tax payer more each year!

What makes you any better than anyone else that has to suffer in a poor job to pay bills while they look elsewhere for work? Do you spend your days off M-F 9-5 considering options for work i wonder?

I reckon that if tax was cut by half, meaning all the money the government takes each year, that little would change in terms of public services. They'd no longer be able to pretend that thousands of civil servants weren't completely useless and did nothing to serve the public and would be sacked. They wouldn't be able to waste billions on a one off sporting event in the **** end of London, and so on.

Money gets spent most efficiently when you don't have much of it.

Therefore, I feel that the utter raping my pay cheque gets every month, and subsequently when ever I buy anything there after is an outrage. I'd guess Blue feels the same. He's been presented with an opportunity to get some of that money back, and I can't honestly see why anyone would object to this.

In fact, if everyone did it, then perhaps the government would have to rethink handing benefits out like confetti.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

He's been presented with an opportunity to get some of that money back, and I can't honestly see why anyone would object to this.

This isn't a "cashback" situation, it's a "I can't be bothered to work at the mo but no worries, the government will throw some my way".

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

In fact, if everyone did it, then perhaps the government would have to rethink handing benefits out like confetti.

...to people that can't be bothered to work while they figure out what they want in life you mean?

Originally Posted by TheStudent

This isn't a "cashback" situation, it's a "I can't be bothered to work at the mo but no worries, the government will throw some my way".



...to people that can't be bothered to work while they figure out what they want in life you mean?

Cash back perhaps, but nothing to do with not being bothered to work. After years of being screwed, it's simply a way of recouping some of the money, nothing to do with laziness.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Cash back perhaps, but nothing to do with not being bothered to work. After years of being screwed, it's simply a way of recouping some of the money, nothing to do with laziness.

My appologies for implying laziness, i don't have the right nor evidence.

However, the same thing is being done as those who are just lazy, imorrally taking advantage of the same weak system for personal gain. Yes it is legal what he is doing, but principally wrong! Figuring out what to do in life isn't too much different from sitting around doing not much!

We pay taxes for good reason, that's why he have tarmac roads (and effin speed cameras unfortunately, bad example :S), a 999 system, schools etc. It is not a savings account to be withdrawn from at any time! Save your own money and live a life of leisure from that, don't withdraw from my hard earned and paid tax! Because that you paid in previous years isn't sitting waiting, some of you seem to think that makes benefit... "abuse"? ....ok. It has already been spent on hospitals you may have sat in, or police wages, the guys you can call when in trouble! (Expensive political dinners too granted but that will always be the way!).

Get a job man!

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

Well I am a computer programmer and I cant even close a forum BBS quote correctly, so what hope is there for me

To be technically correct, you never OPENED it correctly/at all

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Anyway. It is clear to see there is a pretty big divide here, with plenty of people firmly in either camp ... some (as always) with one toe in each!!

Its a great debate topic isn't it and as I said, the whole thing to me is like a little adventure at the mo ...

But you have to remember I AM unemployed, why should some scabby lowlife who has never worked a day in his life get benefits under these conditions if I can't? Why is he more valuable to society than I?? .. think about it, prejudice aside coz I am a bit of a tool at times, who would you rather see perish?!!?

To be fair, I could get very depressed about being unemployed and I have bouts of panic attacks realising that I am. It is all very new to me right now so a combination of being a bit scary and a bit exciting

I have already tried to state it before, but it seems to have been lost in the weeds. Although floundering over which path I will take, I AM actively seeking work and have several pans in the fire at this very moment!! Hopefully it'll come to a head soon!??! ... Also you have to remember, I have only been unemployed 3 days. I AM 90% supporting myself out of my OWN pocket, from money I f-ing earned and had the right of mind to put to one side, not simply p1ss up the wall like those lowlives you so want to support. I got my last pay packet yesterday .. I paid more than 10 times what I am getting this week out of my LAST pay packet alone ... that is like YESTERDAY I gave the gov 10 times what they are giving me (20 times if you include the council tax they are taking away again) !! and you are trying to make me feel guilty for doing/taking it ... I am sorry, I show no remorse , just the opposite, I see it as partial justice!!

Originally Posted by TheStudent

My appologies for implying laziness, i don't have the right nor evidence.

However, the same thing is being done as those who are just lazy, imorrally taking advantage of the same weak system for personal gain. Yes it is legal what he is doing, but principally wrong! Figuring out what to do in life isn't too much different from sitting around doing not much!

We pay taxes for good reason, that's why he have tarmac roads (and effin speed cameras unfortunately, bad example :S), a 999 system, schools etc. It is not a savings account to be withdrawn from at any time! Save your own money and live a life of leisure from that, don't withdraw from my hard earned and paid tax! Because that you paid in previous years isn't sitting waiting, some of you seem to think that makes benefit... "abuse"? ....ok. It has already been spent on hospitals you may have sat in, or police wages, the guys you can call when in trouble! (Expensive political dinners too granted but that will always be the way!).

Get a job man!

I fear you're missing the point.

The government robs more money from us than it should and wastes it. Blue is simply taking back some of what quite frankly should have been his money in the first place.

Originally Posted by TheStudent

...people are biting at you Blue because they think you're taking advantage of a system that is just a safety net, and good for them/us. Just because you qualify on paper doesn't mean it's there for the taking. I thought this system was for people who need money because they "can't" find work? You may be qualified on paper to take it, but morally you don't deserve it if you chose to give up work, then put your hand out?

Praps when you've paid as much as Blue has in tax, and when you've seen it all frittered away, you might have a different view. I feel exactly the same as my friend on the south coast, for exactly the same reasons.

If the system is there for people who 'can't' find work then I guess there would be far fewer claimants. There are many, I think, who could find work if only they were arsed to do so.