How far would you go to save your kid? (or other half or parents).

[yorkie_chris]

Oi.
I said I'd kill anyone with malicious intent.

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

What concerns me here is that no one and I mean NO ONE has said they wouldn't unconditionally kill to save their kid ...

That person you are killing is not only someone else's kid, but they could be the father/mother of several of their own kids ... by killing them you are not only taking someones child away, you are potentially orphaning several more too ... they might have even been killing your kid for good reason (the kid might have been putting many more in danger (lets presume inadvertently)).

How can you be so unconditionally saying yes ... its a very scary attitude

Its not scary, its biology. The selfish gene. Its a dog eat dog world out there, we are all just temporarily being nice within society because it benefits us to do so.

But when your back is turned...

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Oi.
I said I'd kill anyone with malicious intent.

Yes, that person may have malicious intent .. but it doesn't mean they are not a child to someone and potentially a parent to others too .. you have just gunned them down without a single thought of the impact of killing them, just to save your one poxy and insignificant kid!!

Originally Posted by Warthog

Its not scary, its biology. The selfish gene. Its a dog eat dog world out there, we are all just temporarily being nice within society because it benefits us to do so.

But when your back is turned...

Exactly, if this beast lies so closely within, it is no wonder we have murders and other selfish deviants in this world!!

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

That person you are killing is not only someone else's kid, but they could be the father/mother of several of their own kids ... by killing them you are not only taking someones child away, you are potentially orphaning several more too ... they might have even been killing your kid for good reason (the kid might have been putting many more in danger (lets presume inadvertently)).

Nobody, unless seriously fked in the head would kill a child with intention, if it happens it is because of a serious accident or just because there was nothing you could do. Like Warthog said it's the selfish gene at work, at the end of the day your kid is bound to be more important to you than the others involved, but that doesn't mean you won't feel bad because they may have died! Stop making it sound like we're all hard hearted buggers without a thought for others lol!

Originally Posted by missyorkie_chris

Nobody, unless seriously fked in the head would kill a child with intention, if it happens it is because of a serious accident or just because there was nothing you could do. Like Warthog said it's the selfish gene at work, at the end of the day your kid is bound to be more important to you than the others involved, but that doesn't mean you won't feel bad because they may have died! Stop making it sound like we're all hard hearted buggers without a thought for others lol!

Look, just coz someone kidnaps/wants to kill with intent a child, it doesn't mean they are not a child of someone or a parent themselves!!

Ok, so back to my example ... it goes further than just that person themselves ... i.e. all those henchmen in the film were just doing their job - they were a security force for their employer ... it was the employer who was the bad-man ... they just worked for him ... nevertheless, in doing their job, they were in Areneys way ... he mowed his way through ... not only those lives he directly took, but potentially hundreds and hundreds of parents and children affected by that ... just for his one daughter ...

From what has been said here, if it was necessary to save their kid EVERYONE here would have done the same as Arney (if only they had the muscles!! )!!

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

How many people do you think it is acceptable to shoot/kill to ensure your daughters safety/future??

If they're the people responsible for them being in danger, ie the bad guys in the film... No limit. Other innocent people? No idea... Think thats the sort of thing you only find out if it happens.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

OK some mad crackhead attacks you with a knife, you break his neck. Definite risk to your person, you had no choice but to act. Can't remember the letter of the law, but if you say the right thing in your statement then you've broken no law.

Same thing if someone else is being attacked really.


But, does that really matter? If the life of a loved one is at stake are you going to be too fussed about our brave boys in blue f###ing you over afterwards for doing the right thing?

(yes I really love the forces of law and order on this one having seen a friend or 2 punished for doing the right thing!)

The letter of the law is "reasonable force" in self defence cases (which also extends to protection of others), that force with which a jury of your pears believe to be reasonable to subdue the attacker(s) to protect you from injury or harm.

There is also a thing called a pre-emptive strike which you can use if you hold an "honestly held belief that you or another is in immediate danger of being harmed or injured".

[northwind]

Originally Posted by phil24_7

There is also a thing called a pre-emptive strike which you can use if you hold an "honestly held belief that you or another is in immediate danger of being harmed or injured".

"Do you want decking?"

No but I need a shed!!

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Yes, that person may have malicious intent .. but it doesn't mean they are not a child to someone and potentially a parent to others too .. you have just gunned them down without a single thought of the impact of killing them, just to save your one poxy and insignificant kid!!

So look at some of the child soldiers in Africa recently and indeed at the moment, through conditioning and brutallity, they themselves in that situation are some of the most brutal and merciless killers the world has seen. Albeit through no fault of their own.

Yes, they're children in our sense of the word, definately someones child.

Would I hesitate in shooting them down in their hundreds to save my child, myself or probably someone else? Hell no.