Filtering issue? was it my fault?

[tonyk]

hiya,
sounds a little bit like what happened to me last year, going to, funny enough the NEC bike show....
my lovely car driver just totaly lost it..........
just back off and let him have his bad day...
oh the number of times i thought of carrying a few nuts and bolts in my pocket....

The thing is backing off could mean car behind you runs you over. I had this once on the M3. AMG Merc right up my **** so I back off and he doesn't. So two choices, I move over or get run over. Having to pull over but surviving is a good result. Being morally in the right and dead is not a good result, just get away from them any way you can. In that situation I just try and get far away from teh car (okay I actually end up smashing wing mirrors but not something I would advise)

[yorkie_chris]

And the easiest and safest way to get out of the cars way is to open throttle. If you back off you haven't got near as good visibility behind you as that's where you're effectively moving relative to traffic around you.

The more I think about it, the more I think that sitting in between lanes at same speed as cages is a really bad idea.

Originally Posted by DanAbnormal

The thing is backing off could mean car behind you runs you over.

Its the IAM recommended tactic. I don't guarantee it will always work, but if hes paying so little attention he'll probably hit you anyway. Unless you have a pillion with tyre iron to bounce off his bonnet.....

[yorkie_chris]

Ehhhh?

What's point of backing off? Unless there is absolutely no gap to go through (then you have no option), you should usually go forward... otherwise you're going to be stuck behind whatever c0ck who was causing the problem, and you'll still need to get past him!

IAM just recommend sitting in traffic behind somebody who doesn't like you or what?

Also do they understand just how f##king dodgy it is to be SAT STILL in between lanes with cars going past on either side?!?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Ehhhh?

What's point of backing off? Unless there is absolutely no gap to go through (then you have no option), you should usually go forward... otherwise you're going to be stuck behind whatever c0ck who was causing the problem, and you'll still need to get past him!

IAM just recommend sitting in traffic behind somebody who doesn't like you or what?

(don't take me as an official IAM spokesman or anything..I'm not even a qualified observer!)

Because it all depends on exact circumstance. IAM will NOT recommend breaking the speed limit, or filtering at over 20 mph. They do like to "make progress" and filtering past slow traffic, where its safe, is part of that.

Also do they understand just how f##king dodgy it is to be SAT STILL in between lanes with cars going past on either side?!?

Where did that come from?
If cars are going past you on both sides, something has gone seriously wrong with your riding. The only time I am sat still between 2 lanes of traffic is at traffic lights where I will pull away and into one of the lanes ahead of the cars.

[yorkie_chris]

You just said the IAM recommend backing off, and if you're already keeping pace with traffic trying to get into a gap rather than finding your own... then backing off will mean your speed will drop below that of traffic.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

You just said the IAM recommend backing off, and if you're already keeping pace with traffic trying to get into a gap rather than finding your own... then backing off will mean your speed will drop below that of traffic.

Ahh, misunderstanding there then.

If the guy is right on your backside, then I am assuming you are in the middle of (your / a) lane, so backing off slows him down, doesn't let him get past on the inside.
If your on the white line and he has closed your gap off, then you have no real choice but to go forward faster, or switch into outside lane. If your lucky, outside car behind you will have noticed fluffhead blocking you and let you in the outside lane.

isn't that the guide line so that you then have room to manouvere in front of you. don't think they mean back off as to slow down all the traffic in that lane. either way i don't think car drivers are aware at just how easy it wopuld be for anyone ona bike to be nudged off and maybe go under a bus annnnd none of them know that filtering is leaglly acceptable - i can't remember in my car test ever being told about waht to do when you have motrobikes filtering (was 10 yra ago mind).

also someone called apache just emailed my work email on this topic which got blocked due to profanities.

[tonyk]

Originally Posted by tonyk

hiya,
sounds a little bit like what happened to me last year, going to, funny enough the NEC bike show....
my lovely car driver just totaly lost it..........
just back off and let him have his bad day...
oh the number of times i thought of carrying a few nuts and bolts in my pocket....

okay let me say this again, propley i hope.
just back off and let him have his bad day...
move away from him / change to the furthest lane from him..
get at liest one car between you and him..
put your self in a safe place ......... we dont want idiots like him infront or behind us..( or any where Fxxxing near me )
let him tail gate a truck or hopefully a nutter like him....