Slip of the tongue!

[northwind]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

NHS investment is one thing, but there's so much blatant pi$$ing money away that it's no suprise.

Aye, but that's what I'm saying, nobody ever puts a quantity on it. Is it shockingly big? Surprisingly small? Is it like gun crime, where every governmetn promises to take a hard line on it but actually, it's falling? (governments seem to like to keep stories like this around, easy targets that attract a lot of attention) Is all NHS management being tarred with the same brush? (like my consultant being a doctor again instead of a manager) We don't really know. It interests me, it's not somethign that'd be hard to account for, a simple clinical/nonclinical budget would show it.

See, I TOLD you I was cynical

Originally Posted by northwind

Simple question- what is the alternative? What is your scheme that avoids increasing borrowing?

I'm afraid to say I am somewhat fatalistic in this approach. For too long the whole economy was artificially inflated because of the movement of money, debt and highly dodgy ways of borrowing against future predictions. This is capitalism now evening itself out and it is going to hurt. Extra spending is just going to make it hurt for longer. We have to bend over and take it like men.

Originally Posted by Richie

on a lighter note, the last time I'd had a slip of the Tongue, I ended up in deep ****.

quite embarrasing... but she love it.

da dum dum, bum tish...





sorry coat.... Taxi.
U rated and all.

No hilarity in this thread, please.








*snigger*

Originally Posted by Richie

on a lighter note, the last time I'd had a slip of the Tongue, I ended up in deep ****.

quite embarrasing... but she love it.

da dum dum, bum tish...





sorry coat.... Taxi.
U rated and all.

Just spat coffee on my keyboard!!!!

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Warthog

This is capitalism now evening itself out and it is going to hurt. Extra spending is just going to make it hurt for longer.

Yeap. Though actually if darling leaves the next government with a big pile of steaming $hit to sift through, then it makes them look bad, and increases labours chance of reelection next time. Makes sense from a strategic point of veiw if you're an egocentric political type who doesn't give 2 f##ks about the people you're supposed to represent.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Yeap. Though actually if darling leaves the next government with a big pile of steaming $hit to sift through, then it makes them look bad, and increases labours chance of reelection next time. Makes sense from a strategic point of veiw if you're an egocentric political type who doesn't give 2 f##ks about the people you're supposed to represent.

Wouldn't worry too much, as the economy will have collapsed by the time the general election rolls around. As thick as most voters are, they'll remember who was in power when it happened.

Originally Posted by northwind

Aye, but that's what I'm saying, nobody ever puts a quantity on it. Is it shockingly big? Surprisingly small? Is it like gun crime, where every governmetn promises to take a hard line on it but actually, it's falling? (governments seem to like to keep stories like this around, easy targets that attract a lot of attention) Is all NHS management being tarred with the same brush? (like my consultant being a doctor again instead of a manager) We don't really know. It interests me, it's not somethign that'd be hard to account for, a simple clinical/nonclinical budget would show it.

See, I TOLD you I was cynical

there are huge cash holes in hospitals, usually with excuses coming 'from different budgets', like the 'artwork' outide my local hospital cost 10's of thousands and in nothing more than a few stainless steel shapes.

[northwind]

Course there are, but tbh £10000 in the scale of the NHS budget is next to nothing... And it's this penny ante stuff that gets the attention usually. Maybe just because nobody believes big numbers (tell people we've wasted a billion pounds and it just makes no sense, it's hard to grasp... But tell people we've wasted a million and they'll be shocked)

[Biker Biggles]

The biggest cash pit in the NHS has been(and still is)the new computer system which has cost the earth and failed to deliver.
Hot on its heels is probably the debacle of the revised GP contracts which also cost a lot and resulted in risible out of hours services in many areas.
Both these are examples of very poor management,and while we could argue about the growth of management over the years,I would suggest the quality of management in the NHS is poor to put it politely.

We've discussed this before, but trebling of the NHS budget in less than a decade, how?! Where's all that money going.

I know you'll talk about advancing medical care, but consider your hip - you had an expensive procedure carried out, granted. But, the spin off is faster recovery and less time in hospital, which over all could have ended up saving the NHS money compared with older treatments.