Government Health care

Originally Posted by Quedos

Don't knock anything till you've tried it then make you own mind up is my advice

I'm scared to try it because there's no going back if i don't like it

Originally Posted by kcowgergmm

I'm scared to try it because there's no going back if i don't like it

But then you will shafted with medical bills for the rest of your life, its a no brainer I really don't get what people it would stand benfit are so set against it. Or does everyone just like paying a lot for medical care?

[Sid Squid]

Public healthcare is obviously not a bad thing, but our model isn't working.
It's not so much that the needs of the patients have changed, but simply that the capabilities of modern medicine have expanded hugely.
It's easy to say the NHS is underfunded but ridiculous to do so all the same - we could spend every single last penny of all the money in this country, and still reasonably say that there's more we could do; more that we could spend.

We need, desperately need, to decide the core responsibilities of public healthcare and stick with them, which means that there are some treatments we wouldn't fund, but there isn't a bottomless pit of money to spend on this, or anything else for that matter, and we need to recognise this and plan accordingly.

Of course no government is ever going to tell the populace the hard truth about this and expect to get elected - but yet more assurances that the commitment to public health is entirely open ended is irresponsible, and the real fools are us for wanting to hear it, and being convinced time and again.

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

S'doll---------Similar from me----I was told to go and lie on the floor of the local shopping centre because once they have admitted you they have to do something about it or risk being sued for neglect. Sorry state of affairs but in my case true.

This was my consultant that told me to do this as the waiting list was so long

That's what this guy was told! Only way to be seen earlier is to collapse outside!

Originally Posted by Sid Squid

Public healthcare is obviously not a bad thing, but our model isn't working.
It's not so much that the needs of the patients have changed, but simply that the capabilities of modern medicine have expanded hugely.
It's easy to say the NHS is underfunded but ridiculous to do so all the same - we could spend every single last penny of all the money in this country, and still reasonably say that there's more we could do; more that we could spend.

We need, desperately need, to decide the core responsibilities of public healthcare and stick with them, which means that there are some treatments we wouldn't fund, but there isn't a bottomless pit of money to spend on this, or anything else for that matter, and we need to recognise this and plan accordingly.

Of course no government is ever going to tell the populace the hard truth about this and expect to get elected - but yet more assurances that the commitment to public health is entirely open ended is irresponsible, and the real fools are us for wanting to hear it, and being convinced time and again.

Excellent post, I totally agree.

Basically Kcowgergmm: Your f****d either way

Originally Posted by shonadoll

Don't knock it till you have tried it, have you stayed in a private hospital recently? I was in Ross Hall and the food was amazing, private immaculate room, sat telly, phone,en suite.

Infection rate at Ross Hall is actually very low, private showers and rooms help hugely, and the claening standard is very high.

thats whats i said - don't knock anything till its tried - ie don't knock a NHS system till they tried esp when they have been used to private medical care

i'm probably more annoyed that i can't go private because they link everything back to my back injury. Ross Hall has had great reviews and i can only talk to the ones I've heard about and invariably that is the ones where things go wrong. ( the only time you hear about things)

Originally Posted by leedsmatt7

Basically Kcowgergmm: Your f****d either way

and we have a winner

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by shonadoll

Infection rate at Ross Hall is actually very low, private showers and rooms help hugely, and the claening standard is very high.

Whereas cleanliness in some bits of the NHS is shocking. My Mother was trained as a nurse years ago here in Halifax and continuing in Gibraltar where the wards all had a strict timetable of activities designed to keep infection risk to a minimum. All kept in line by a healthy amount of fear of the nurse in charge.
Look at it now, my Grandad was in St. James' in Leeds for a time, and it was horrific. A stench of pus and death about the whole place, used dressings on the floor in places. And that is a teaching hospital!

New Halifax hospital is all very posh, but seems like it was designed by some poncy architect rather than someone properly qualified. Infection? Having to walk through wards to access others, dressings being changed with doors open and visitors coming and going.

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

I like it because without it I would be dead------------simple

This is very true believe me.....................................i've seen him ride.