Toyota Prius, transport, and the future.

[Paul the 6th]

i did wonder how long it would be before someone ref'd lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

and yeah peak is gonna happen at somepoint (quite soon to be fair).. If we don't fix up and look sharp while we have the energy reserves to actually do something about it then the world is going to get ALOT bigger again...

No more £29 flights to amsterdam with same day return... no more nipping to tesco's 3 miles away - it won't be there because we won't have the resources to have carrots grown in wales, picked and transports to a factory, flown to poland to be hand packed and quality processed, flown back to the UK to various distribution centres and then driven up and down the motorways before being sold for a couple of pence...

Don't get me started on bananas...

but yes, the prius is shiit.

[BillyC]

Originally Posted by metalangel

Oh god, you're a peak oil doomer.

Thanks for the tarred brush, but I'm simply inviting debate.

If you think that it's a good thing to have nuclear power popping up all over the place, and not to worry about what we do with the resulting waste, fine. You're entitled to your say...

I'm simply inviting you to debate the consequences, so please kindly explain what you think they are...

[BillyC]

Originally Posted by metalmonkey

The issue is at the moment we have no way of producing any fuel that will match oil for its enegry content/output however you want to put it. We are buring more than ever. No one has any answers as what will be next...

...Don't think for one second that the Earth won't get rid of us, it will carry on but we as species probally not, we have been here for a short period of time the way are carrying on probally not for much longer.

Chris,

I never thought I'd see the day when I heard such sense from you

I agree with a lot of what you said, and understand your points entirely. I'm concerned that far too little is being done now to encourage energy efficiency in homes, and reduce the addiction to energy; though this really has nothing to do with cars or Priuses.

Someone said that they applaud Toyota for creating the Prius, and as a result the Camry Hybrid. I agree with this, but I'm uneasy in my agreement - I feel like I'm missing something. There's a large carpet someone with a lot of debris and information swept under it.

And so the Camry Hybrid produces 187 bhp... great, that's fantastic, but why? Why does it need to produce 187 bhp? I can't think of a single realistic reason, why a "green" car needs to produce this kind of energy, let alone make it all available to the driver. Someone please explain?

[Paul the 6th]

in the words of jeremy from peepshow "You've seen madmax... that's what is going to happen!"

Originally Posted by BillyC

Thanks for the tarred brush, but I'm simply inviting debate.

Sorry, but your choice of words make it sound like more than that.

If you think that it's a good thing to have neuclear power popping up all over the place, and not to worry about what we do with the resulting waste, fine. You're entitled to your say...

I refer you to my previous comment

I'm simply inviting you to debate the consequences, so please kindly explain what you think they are...

Nukeuler energy isn't the ultimate solution, but it's an important step along the way. The dream is cold fusion, but that is taking time to develop and nuclear power is available NOW and can deal with the issues we have NOW. To my mind, the future is one of electricity and fuel cells, with the initial source of power being nuclear energy.

There's no denying that peak oil will happen. But saying it's guaranteed Mad Max is silly. The world needs to overcome its NIMBY nature - people are all in favour of being 'green' and all the other (nauseating to me) self-righteous do-gooderness until it might affect them. Wind turbines? Offshore generators? Nuclear power station? No, protest, build it somewhere else, think of the children. Five minutes ago they were sitting in their Prius and picking through their food waste like a starving badger and washing their clothes at 30 degrees because 'the future belongs to my children'. You can't have it both ways.

We also should be building waste to energy power stations. Everything that can't be recycled is put into a highly efficient incinerator and burned to produce electricty. The amount going to landfill drops dramatically, much needed electricity is produced (more hydrogen fuel!), great idea.

[ophic]

Isn't the gov't shutting down nuclear power stations?

Originally Posted by ophic

Isn't the gov't shutting down nuclear power stations?

Not voluntarily, some are coming to the end of their natural life.

They aren't rushing to build replacements, though, which is the problem.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Not voluntarily, some are coming to the end of their natural life.

Are they gonna get replaced?
sorry I was reading the Daily Mail the other day

[Red Herring]

There really isn't much point in little old Blighty investing in clean power and cutting it's oil use by 4/5's if in the meantime places like China and Russia (not to mention the good old USA) keep going the way they are. Were wasting our time. The middle east won't turn round and say, "good old Brits, they haven't use their ration of oil, have some more", it will simply run out for everybody, full stop. Only then will we as a population have to do something about it, in the meantime anyone up for a ride this weekend?