Sack him, or keep him?

Explain the situation to him, then pull out a 50p piece and let him pick Head or Tails

[Biker Biggles]

Im glad to see the poll result is more reflective of sanity than some of the thread comments.
A good worker even one with a few flaws is worth looking after,and the benefits will be wider than at first obvious.General staff morale goes up when they see they are working for a good guvnor who will see them right through thick and thin.

I'll do a deal-----------supply one van and one driver for 3 years on contract for less than the £130,000

Maybe you think I am harsh but surely as a field engineer he would be expected to have a driving license as part of his responsibility to his job,a bit like a mobile mechanic who can't drive.

couple of comments:

1) Wait and see what the courts say and make the decision then.
2) Don't take it the wrong way, and I can see you're agonising over making a fair decision, but is it wise to debate his future on a public forum like this? If you do decide to fire him and he uncovers this thread - could there be implications re. dismissal rights / compensation? If you don't fire him and he finds this thread he could be mighty p**sed off with you for debating his problems here. I would be if I were in his shoes. I know they're now your problems as well but if I were him I'd want it kept between you and me.

Cheers Keith

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Well Oiled

couple of comments:

1) Wait and see what the courts say and make the decision then.
2) Don't take it the wrong way, and I can see you're agonising over making a fair decision, but is it wise to debate his future on a public forum like this? If you do decide to fire him and he uncovers this thread - could there be implications re. dismissal rights / compensation? If you don't fire him and he finds this thread he could be mighty p**sed off with you for debating his problems here. I would be if I were in his shoes. I know they're now your problems as well but if I were him I'd want it kept between you and me.

Cheers Keith

Maybe that's why he's not debating. He hasn't posted since the OP

Originally Posted by Stu

Maybe that's why he's not debating. He hasn't posted since the OP

Or maybe he's just out doing his job at the moment?

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by Well Oiled

Or maybe he's just out doing his job at the moment?

Bit of both, and also very interested in what everyone has to say without wishing to drive the debate in a particular direction.

The decision was actually taken yesterday. I argued for his retention, and won the day but not without some fun along the way.

Assuming he is convicted, my boss wanted to keep him on without 'kicking him whilst he's down,' and no further action. HR wanted an unpaid leave of absence, a final written warning, two pints of blood and his first born. They started by saying sack.

I got it down to two weeks of this year's leave allowance. A verbal warning and we pay for a speed awareness course. My argument was based on a Duty of Care to the engineer concerned, i.e. he's a really bright guy but addicted to speed. And a responsibility to other road users to try an cure the daft sod. There is also a responsibilty I have to my employer, which means a bit of my credibility and judgement is now in the mix. I'm also aware that with three kids and a hefty mortgage this could ruin him.

As to anonimity, and debated on a public forum, how will he find out? None of my Team do bikes, he's not named, and nor is the company.

[Biker Biggles]

You should come and work where I am.They could learn a thing or two about how to run a firm.
Actually no you shouldnt,you would hate it and they couldnt learn anything from you as they would need some brain cells and they dont have any.

Does he drive a sign written van?


If he does, it's never good to have a company name advertised whilst driving offences are being commited.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Bri w

he's a really bright guy but addicted to speed. And a responsibility to other road users to try an cure the daft sod.

Fit a speed restrictor to his van, plenty of companies do it now.