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View Poll Results: Are you:
A public sector worker who supports the strike? 12 16.44%
A public sector worker who is against the strike? 6 8.22%
A private sector worker who supports the strike? 16 21.92%
A private sector worker who is against the strike? 31 42.47%
Someone who couldn't care less. 8 10.96%
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Old 29-11-11, 10:13 PM   #41
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If you do some reading to some of the schemes (One of the Teacher schemes springs to mind), quite a lot were renegotiated in 2007-9 and were deemed to be viable (by the Treasury no less) with the calculation done for a raise in the age and increasing wage contributions.
Yes, but that was Alaistair Darlings Treasury, the one that left a note to this government saying sorry we've run out of money!

Also, I heard of a head teacher complaining that this change would make teachers work until 65 and it was a hard job. Now I have lots of teacher friends, and I wouldn't do the job, but thats personal choice. There are much harder jobs (both physically and mentally) where people regularly have to work to 65 and beyond. Boo hoo that you have to come in line with everyone else.
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Old 29-11-11, 10:20 PM   #42
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Look at a Govt. department the Face Changes but the backroom doesn't.

I wouldn't like to be a teacher at 65 at my old High school (rough as a badgers badger)
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Old 29-11-11, 10:23 PM   #43
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Backroom staff aren't the policy makers though.

And i agree about teaching at 65, but I wouldn't want to be building at 65 either, or any number of other jobs. No one wants to be working at 65, but we've seen what happens to countries that say you can retire at 50 etc...
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Old 29-11-11, 10:23 PM   #44
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but I haven't heard one word of support from private sector workers.
Does this surprise you?

A selfish, irresponsible strike that purports to be about public sector pensions, (it isn't anything of the sort), isn't greatly supported by the people that will have to actually pay for those pensions.

Hardly a revelation, is it?

And the support for the strike by union membership is how much?

I hope every public sector worker that doesn't go to work tomorrow fully realises that this is no noble strike, this is an tantrum thrown by a trade union system that no longer has a government in their pocket, union members are simply being expoloited, this action has nothing to do with any benefit to them.

The TUC disgust me. Again.

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This is never going to happen. Ever.

Unions long ago gave up any thoughts of workers rights, they are now self-interested political organisations that expolit their membership as cruelly as any bad boss could ever hope to.
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Old 29-11-11, 10:48 PM   #45
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!00% in favour.Its about standing up for yourself against some very powerful forces.If you dont stand up they will be back for more---and more----and more.You may not win the battle but they at least they know you are not a pushover.Food for thought for them when they want the next bite.
But alls well.We are all in it together.Arent we?
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Old 29-11-11, 10:53 PM   #46
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I can never work out how withdrawing your labour helps your cause-----The mining industry,which was a national industry tried with a lot more effort than this lot and where are they now?
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Old 29-11-11, 10:54 PM   #47
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100% against.

I have a lot of respect for the people who work in the public sector and they are not to blame for the way the system is set up. But the system is wrong and has been since it was set up. I work in the private sector. If the company is successful, our pay increases. If the company is not doing so well, our pay stays where it is. How did we end up with a system where public sector pay effectively goes up in line with inflation, regardless of how well the country is doing? It is very unfortunate that people who work in the public sector now, went in to those jobs with an expectation of salary rises, retirement age and pensions that the country could never afford. Unfortunate because they have been totally misled by politicians and unions for many years.

If you want a Swedish style welfare state and public sector, vote for Swedish style taxes at the next election. Otherwise, accept the same working conditions as the private sector. Going on strike and hurting people who have not had those annual pay increases, can't afford to retire and have naff all in the way of pension provision is not the way to get the country on your side.

We have two kids, both of whom will be at home tomorrow. PITA but I'm sure we'll cope.

Here endeth the rant.
I was just going to say the same, lol. Hit the nail on the head there mate
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I can never work out how withdrawing your labour helps your cause-----The mining industry,which was a national industry tried with a lot more effort than this lot and where are they now?
Looking back the mining industry died because it became possible to get energy cheaper from gas.Looking a bit short sighted as a policy now but thats what happened in the 80s.The last strike was an attempt to stop that but was doomed in the long run.
A current example would be train drivers.Well paid job and good luck to them,but automation will overtake them sooner rather than later.and the job will go.Strikes will make no difference either way.
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Old 29-11-11, 11:27 PM   #49
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This is never going to happen. Ever.

Unions long ago gave up any thoughts of workers rights, they are now self-interested political organisations that expolit their membership as cruelly as any bad boss could ever hope to.
Not with that attitude no. Hence why I became a Union rep at work in order to add some sense within the business.
We do a lot of fantastic work within the business, between my safety rep and myself I know the work place is a lot safer and happier.
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I can never work out how withdrawing your labour helps your cause-----The mining industry,which was a national industry tried with a lot more effort than this lot and where are they now?
You can hardly compare the current strikes to that of an industry that was dwindling due to cheaper imported fossil fuels or north sea gas. Sadly those strikes were the swansong of a dying trade.
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